So Pat how did you horn swaggle Shed into the invite? Give me a few tips here so i can start working on mine

Sigh.............you still don't get what I am saying after all the back and forth. Scent suits aren't gonna hurt you (unless you disreguard scent totally because you think the suit has magic powers).......they just don't work as promised. I never said scent suits would keep you from killing deer..........simply that they are not gonna help you do it either.


That has been my whole point all along.......I NEED those scientific questions answered before I can believe in those products. If they answer them then I would have a different opinion of them.........but as of right now all I ever hear when I ask how or why they work is........."Because I said so"........or I get a story about a guy killing a deer who was downwind..........nice story but it doesn't help me either way.


No problem.........I hope the suit works so well for you that you have 10 deer a day trying to get inside it with you. I just can't even consider buying something like that until I get some answers to the factual questions I have about the performance of them.


Hey man..........I carry more techno garbage in the woods with me then anybody I have nothing against technology............and some day if I get answers to all my questions about scent suits I may have no problem with them. I can't use a product based on faith alone. I want to know what something is gonna do when it comes time to use it.........I don't like guessing or leaving things to chance.


I'm sure we aren't

I heard a guy cough into one of those things one time and it sounded like a Kazoo []

Silent, I bet him that scent lock wouldn't work and he took me up on it and proved me wrong.. I told him I could Bugle in a turkey for him.

Mobow, yup, its just part of a system exactly. I am glad someone understood what I was saying.

Pat, Tocs, thanks guys, kind words

Atlas I will send you that article. Deer and Deer Hunting is a respected whitetail authority.

Man guys.. 9 days ! Peace out!

Shed, only calling it the way I see it. I just think he is afraid that he may be wrong and can't admit it. I'm not saying that it is the end all to beat all but it sure did stack the odds in my favor. And yes it is all of the ingredients together. And yes Shed does know his white tails. He can even tell you if any of his deer have died and who is the matriarch in group of deer that he is scouting. He does his homework and knows what works and what doesn't. If you had paid attention to what he had said about the deer that he has harvested and his brother whom I also met, you would have understood that he says that it gives him an advantage over the deer and that he noticed that there was a change in how they acted when he started using it. And as far as you trying to compare him to the hunters on tv doing the canned hunts you are far from the truth. There is no comparison. He is not advertising anything here he is telling the TRUTH..

How did he do that?...........I have been asking him for proof of scent suits working for days and all I get are stories about a deer him or his brother killed. While I appreciate a good story as much as the next guy, it doesn't prove scent suits work anymore then saying he was wearing his lucky socks that day. It is borderline superstition.

C'mon guys.........let's not all pretend that we are reinventing the wheel here. EVERYONE has a system for deer hunting. What does that prove about scent suits???............nothing. Doesn't prove they work..........doesn't prove they don't.

I can't believe you guys are having so much trouble figuring this out. You list a rundown of a bunch of deer that you killed and everyone should accept that as proof that scent suits work because you were wearing one?? I know a dozen people off the top of my head that wear them and barely ever even see a deer............now that is the EXACT same story that you tell but the opposite end of the spectrum..........scent suits being the common denominator. You look at your story and see it as proof they work but you don't look at the other story as proof they don't???...........that logic is SERIOUSLY flawed.

Oh man.........it is a magazine article Oh well, I will reserve judgement until I see it but I gotta tell you my hopes aren't too high.

I would LOVE for you to show me I am wrong........and if you or anyone else does I will admit it in bold capital letters for everyone to see.

I would be interested in buying a scent suit...........if the stuff worked like it says it does. I won't even consider it though until I get answers to A LOT of questions I have.......and I am sorry but "I killed a deer downwind" just doesn't do it for me.

In what way?

No one said he didn't know his suff............but you are stretching the truth by saying he KNOWS his scent suit works. He BELIEVES it works..........big difference.

Oh my god...........I gotta get my hip waders on Is that what we are reduced to here???........."They acted differently?? Ever hear of the saying "You find what you're looking for"?? Figure that out and you will understand my point.


I didn't compare him to doing canned hunts and I didn't say he was selling anything........don't put words in my mouth. I said we all laugh when we see a guy on TV kill a nice buck and thank his cough silencer..........because we know it had nothing to do with him getting that deer yet he is thanking it anyways.

Not that I want to perpetuate this conversation,I really don't!I do want to suggest that if anyone doesn't want to use scent lok clothing they don't have to.If you don't want it,if you think it's a hoax don't buy it.There are things that I do while I am hunting that I can not substantiate with scientific trials or testing,but I would defy anyone to tell me they don't work.I have personally witnessed the results of their use versus their non use.Thats enough for me! When there is a person who has demonstrated they obviously know what they are talking about I pay attention,especially when there is no financial incentive for them to promote a particular product.Between my own scouting and hunting(50 to 60 days a season)and the countless books on everything whitetail I have read,I can separate the wheat from the chaffe!
Most people of a certain level of success are so self assured they don't care much what someone else thinks as it relates to their methods.Only courtesy and decency keeps them involved in this type of conversation.Don't believe in it don't buy it!!

Who has said anything differently?? Perhaps if some people were better educated on the science instead of focusing on the commercials and pages of ads in magazines they would realize that they may not be getting what they are being promised. This would force the big companies to either back up their claims with facts and produce a quality product that does what they say or lose out in the hunting market.

Why do you think after they kill a big buck on TV they thank every sponsor they can remember??.........Do you REALLY think all those products put that deer on the ground?? Of course not.............but many people do. Advertising is not geared to catch EVERYONE.......but if you can get 5% of the people that see your BS to believe it and buy it then all you have to do is reach millions of people and you are gonna have a river of money flowing in.

Didn't you ever see that blonde brush cut diet whacko who preached "Stop the insanity" on infomercials at night?? She was pushing pure BS.........but she pushed it to a desperate target audience and reached millions of people all over the country. Most people thought she was full of it.............well she is laughing all the way to the bank with over 50 million as her share of the hundreds of millions they took in. Not so funny now is it?

All you have to do to sell something is get people to believe..........and some people are easier to take the bait then others.

John Edwards made countless millions by telling people he could talk with the dead. He was on every TV channel about 10 times a day...............see him lately?? Of course not..........he is sitting on a beach somewhere counting his money.

They made millions upon millions of dollars because the people they targeted didn't require any proof that what they were buying was real.............and not just a BS gimmick.............you can only fool people for so long before getting exposed and that is why they have all disappeared now.

Every company out there that is known for producing high quality goods has no problem putting their stuff to the test..........Do you think Summit hasn't tested their cables and stands to be sure they meet ALL the claims they make?? I bet a Bowtech's birth certificate is pretty accurate..........Why?? Because their products are high quality and require no smoke and mirrors or faith to believe they work.............and they can prove it.

If scent suits did what they say they do then they would have done tests and studies to prove it by now............but why should they??.......people just take their word for it. If it ain't broke don't fix it.


Big difference..........you are not marketing your beliefs to millions of people and taking millions of dollars of their money in return........when that is the case you are held to a higher standard because what you are doing is effecting millions of others..........and not just you.


That is EXACTLY what those guys who shoot bucks on TV count on when they rattle off sponsors while holding a deers head up If it didn't work they wouldn't do it. Now on to people with no financial incentive...........if they told you that wearing your underwear backwards will help you kill a big buck would you believe it?? Because as of right now there exists about as much factual proof of that working as there does that scent suits will.

What did your books tell you about carbon suits??.........you may want to add a few chemistry books to that stack before answering that





I don't.