Contest Poll - Where do you stand?
06-27-2005 | 04:48 PM
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RE: Contest Poll - Where do you stand?
I think that any deer taken in accordance with the "Rules of Fair Chase" should be allowed.
I don't have a problem with people taking guided hunts as long as the hunts are fair chase. High fence 'canned' hunts of domesticated deer over feeders are not fair chase and shouldn't be allowed. A guided hunt onfree rangeland (public or private), as long as it fits the rest of the rules for fair chase is perfectly fine IMO, and should be allowed.
Mike
Fair Chase
From its beginnings, the Club has grown to epitomize fair chase and sportsmanship in hunting. This fair chase philosophy reaches to the very foundations of the hunting spirit; it remains a dominant factor in the personal hunting ethic of every responsible individual; it is key to bowhunting's future with deep roots in America's hunting heritage. Simply defined, fair chase is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit of free-ranging wild game animals in a manner which does not give the hunter an improper or unfair advantage over the animal. It does, however, extend beyond the hunt itself; it is an attitude and a way of life based in a deep-seated respect for wildlife, for the environment, and for other individuals who share the bounty of this vast continent's natural resources.
The term "Fair Chase" shall not include the taking of animals under the following conditions:
[ol][*]Helpless in a trap, deep snow or water, or on ice.[*]From any power vehicle or power boat.[*]By "jacklighting" or shining at night.[*]By the use of any tranquilizers or poisons.[*]While inside escape-proof fenced enclosures. [*]By the use of any power vehicles or power boats for herding or driving animals, including use of aircraft to land alongside or to communicate with or direct a hunter on the ground.[*]By the use of electronic devices for attracting, locating, or pursuing game or guiding the hunter to such game, or by the use of a bow or arrow to which any electronic device is attached.[*]Any other condition considered by the Board of Directors as unacceptable. [/ol]
-Pope & Young
From its beginnings, the Club has grown to epitomize fair chase and sportsmanship in hunting. This fair chase philosophy reaches to the very foundations of the hunting spirit; it remains a dominant factor in the personal hunting ethic of every responsible individual; it is key to bowhunting's future with deep roots in America's hunting heritage. Simply defined, fair chase is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit of free-ranging wild game animals in a manner which does not give the hunter an improper or unfair advantage over the animal. It does, however, extend beyond the hunt itself; it is an attitude and a way of life based in a deep-seated respect for wildlife, for the environment, and for other individuals who share the bounty of this vast continent's natural resources.
The term "Fair Chase" shall not include the taking of animals under the following conditions:
[ol][*]Helpless in a trap, deep snow or water, or on ice.[*]From any power vehicle or power boat.[*]By "jacklighting" or shining at night.[*]By the use of any tranquilizers or poisons.[*]While inside escape-proof fenced enclosures. [*]By the use of any power vehicles or power boats for herding or driving animals, including use of aircraft to land alongside or to communicate with or direct a hunter on the ground.[*]By the use of electronic devices for attracting, locating, or pursuing game or guiding the hunter to such game, or by the use of a bow or arrow to which any electronic device is attached.[*]Any other condition considered by the Board of Directors as unacceptable. [/ol]
-Pope & Young
FAIR CHASE STATEMENT
FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals. -Boone & Crockett
FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals. -Boone & Crockett
Mike
06-27-2005 | 06:44 PM
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RE: Contest Poll - Where do you stand?
I say yes.
It didnt make a diffrence last year . Whats next apoll on if we can use a lazer rangefinder or sight pins . Some people have an advantage becuase they can afford a better bow or stand or can get more time off .
So lets have a poll; Do you think if you have a bow worth more then $400 should you be in the contest.
A outfitted hunt is not a sure thing .
And no I have never been on a guided hunt for deer.
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06-27-2005 | 07:49 PM
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RE: Contest Poll - Where do you stand?
ORIGINAL: silentassassin
Actually that's what it is but I am still hunting through an outfitter.
Sounds more like a lease than an outfitter to me
I say yes.
It didnt make a diffrence last year . Whats next apoll on if we can use a lazer rangefinder or sight pins . Some people have an advantage becuase they can afford a better bow or stand or can get more time off .
So lets have a poll; Do you think if you have a bow worth more then $400 should you be in the contest.
A outfitted hunt is not a sure thing .
And no I have never been on a guided hunt for deer.
It didnt make a diffrence last year . Whats next apoll on if we can use a lazer rangefinder or sight pins . Some people have an advantage becuase they can afford a better bow or stand or can get more time off .
So lets have a poll; Do you think if you have a bow worth more then $400 should you be in the contest.
A outfitted hunt is not a sure thing .
And no I have never been on a guided hunt for deer.
Again, and hopefully for the last time, this poll was started out of curiosity. In no way shape or form will the rules be changed because of it. Those of you taking it seriously and thinking that you or someone else may be excluded from the contest because of it can rest at ease. You will be able to participate.
06-27-2005 | 07:50 PM
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RE: Contest Poll - Where do you stand?
Funny thing about this is..........I am on Team Elite 8, and to the best of my knowledge not one member of Team 8 used an outfitter. For my part I didn't even shoot a buck last season. To those who think a hunter should not be part of the contest because he/she booked with an outfitter for a fair chase hunt, you can always book with an outfitter yourself if you think it would make it more fair.[8D]
06-27-2005 | 07:54 PM
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RE: Contest Poll - Where do you stand?
I wasn't sure at first whether I wanted to touch this one or not, but I suppose I may as well. Just because one hunter spends more money on a bow than another doesn't necessarily mean he/she has an advantage. With the new technology we've come out with in recent years, the $300 bows are shooting just as well as the $800 bows. I'm not exactly sure that I'm seeing the connection you're trying to make anymore.
Your argument; "Just because one hunter spends $1000 - $5000 on a guided hunt doesn't mean he/she has an advantage."
My reply; Yes it does. The hunter spending loads of money on an outfitted hunt is generally, in most cases, spending top dollar to hunt land that has hada strict QDM program in place for many years. Strict antler point restrictions have been set up, food plots have been grown, antler size noted and monitored. You're spending lots of money to hunt land that has many trophy deer on it, not just the possibility of having one or two 'nice' deer on it.
06-27-2005 | 08:15 PM
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RE: Contest Poll - Where do you stand?
Wash., I know a few hunters who plant food plots, put numerous stands up in key spots, don't allow anyone else to hunt and they too may have an advantage. So perhaps anyone owning their own land should not be in the contest? Makes about as much sense.
Bud, the moderator who oversees this contest is an outfitter himself last I knew!!!!
Bud, the moderator who oversees this contest is an outfitter himself last I knew!!!!
06-27-2005 | 08:25 PM
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RE: Contest Poll - Where do you stand?
ORIGINAL: Cougar Mag
Wash., I know a few hunters who plant food plots, put numerous stands up in key spots, don't allow anyone else to hunt and they too may have an advantage. So perhaps anyone owning their own land should not be in the contest? Makes about as much sense.
Bud, the moderator who oversees this contest is an outfitter himself last I knew!!!!
Wash., I know a few hunters who plant food plots, put numerous stands up in key spots, don't allow anyone else to hunt and they too may have an advantage. So perhaps anyone owning their own land should not be in the contest? Makes about as much sense.
Bud, the moderator who oversees this contest is an outfitter himself last I knew!!!!
Hey Dan, after repeating your self a dozen times, I bet it feels alot like that movie Ground hog day!!LOL!!
