I took my first 15-20 deer or so out of a treestand with a 36" axle-to-axle bow and never had any problems with it. I think the trend in recent years has been to go SO short, that it makes 36 seem "long-ish", even though the standard just a few years back was 38 and above...

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I remember the first 36" bow I ever bought, a 1996 PSE XSR-500 dual cam. I can still remember sitting there turning it over and over in my hands and holding it out to the side thinking how much it looked like a toy.

To imagine that 36" would ever be considered by many as LONG is almost comical.

To me a 36" bow might be the PERFECT hunting bow length, good string angles, and plenty of clearance.
I'm not entirely sure where this thought of if I don't have a 31" ATA bow I'm gonna be whacking it off everything ever came from?

I agree.

Dopler, I'd be interested in why you say that Bowtech's birth certificate numbers are inflated. All of mine have been dead on.

And yes there are chrono numbers out there by some very reputable shops and bow tuners. Average speeds seem to be in the 325+ range at 29" and it doesn't seem to matter whether it is a 60# or a 70# bow. One well known bow tuner on Archery Talk has one shoting 345fps at 29.5", 61# and 306 grain arrow.

Why did bowtech make these two bows so close in similarity? I'm mean they are pretty much the same aren't they? Same cams? Ones a 1/4 inch longer ATA? Brace height is within an inch? I guess ones faster, but wouldn't they feel like shooting the same bow? I know, I know whatever feels good to you but I think I may have a hard time deciding between these two. I'm getting a new bow for next year. I havn't shot any of these bows yet but I know it's either going to be one of the airbornes or the guardian. And if the airbornes are totally different, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Could anyone give me a guesstimate on how fast the 82nd airborne will shoot at 50lb draw weight, 29'' draw length, with my carbon maxx 2000 arrows, and 75gr muzzy broadheads. I know this is a lot to ask but I am trying to figure out the fastest bow I can get with the lightest draw weight due to my recent back injury and surgeries. And I would love to stick with bowtech as I love there bows. If you need any other info or anything else to help answer just let me know. Thanks anyone for helping me out I greatly appreciate it.

I remember when I first started shooting High Country back in the 80's. They were the ones making the short A to A bows with the big cams and high letoff. By the way they were 38" to 40"Ato A and 65% let off. I think a 36" A to A bow was a wise choice to add to an impressive lineup that Bowtech already had

Dan

Well all I can say is wow. There is so much info and talk about this bow it is incredible. My primary interest in this bow is obviously a new bow, something that fits well,shoots well and of course quick. I for one like a longer ata for my draw length. Being 31.5 to 32 helps with the string angle when the ata is 36 inches. What im really concerened with in this bow is how it draws and how it feels in my hand. I also hope that it is talked about like the marquis in terms of accuracy. Everybody that has shot it seems to like the inherent accuracy of the bow. I cant wait to shoot one for myself. Shouldnt be too much longer.

bubbatony,

Mike Carter (Crackers) tinkered a bit with his first 101st he received in his shop, and was getting 331 fps at 60 lbs. with a 29" draw...

If you followed conventional wisdom, which states that for every 5# of draw weight you go down,you'lllose10 fps... you're looking somewhere in the neighborhood of 311 fps at 50 lbs if the bow was as efficient turned down to 50 as Mike's was when turned down to 60.

And... you're asking about an 82nd, which should come in about 10 fps hotter than the 101st... so theoretically you're talking 321 fps at 50 lbs. of draw weight here!

Now, would I advocate these speed bows for someone who's had back and shoulder injuries? Not on your life. Remember... they are just that: speed bows. I would definitely steer you towards a Liberty at 60 lbs, if you could pull one of these at 50... As sweet as these bows are, I think you need to keep in mind how your previous injuries are going to be affected. We care more about keeping a fellow bowhunter in our ranks than selling one more bow; they're going to sell well, there's no doubt. We want you to do the right thing for your future.

Ordered.

Has anyone seen an 82nd yet?

Thanks Alex!! I haven't seen the 82 yet, but hopefully soon they are supposed to be shipping soon if not already

Dan