he just wants to act like he knows something about something when he doesn't yet, and that's cool. he was into it with len yesterday - imagine that - the only person with theexperienceand who would get into it with len is pinwheel and they keep it very cool.mildot would rather go with his shopowner says than his own experience - which he doesn't have yet, again, which is ok. he will. he seems very into archery. he recently shot some decent groups from 50 and 60 yards and now he knows something.i've brokenplenty of arrows at that distance - with other arrows.in a few years he'll see what some of us are trying to let him know about the things he says, which he, again, just doesn't really know anything about yet.he saw some pictures, wow! a real expert. the thing i like is he's enthusiastic - there's a positive in everything.

Thats funny... I like that answer.

Gibblet,

Looks like your years of experience have been gaining, but your wisdom hasn’t.

Fact: Gold Tip XT 7595 wall thickness is .054 for a .340 spine arrow.

Fact: Gold Tips only .300 spine arrow is .050 wall thickness at 8.5 gpi.

Fact: Carbon Techs .300 spine WT arrow has a .059 wall thickness and is 9.5 gpi. The Carbon Tech Rhino .300 spine arrow has a wall thickness that is even thicker than .059, thus stronger.

You’re saying that the Gold Tips are way stronger when they have a .009 to .020+ thinner wall thickness as compared to the CT .300 spine class arrows. Get a clue. I’m sure both companies know what materials to use to make them as strong as possible, so their materials are close to the same. All that is left to compare is wall thickness and accuracy. Even if GoldTip was to have a slightly stronger material, their .300 spine arrows are still at a .009 wall thickness disadvantage, which if they were lucky would maybe match the strength of the CT .300 spine arrows. I don’t see how in the world you can say CT Arrows are weak.

You mock me because I took the pictures as a good form of belief in the product. As far as the pictures, what else could be better? I would rather take 3 folders full of game killed with carbon tech arrows vs. me doing a limited test on two animals a year. Why reinvent the wheel when numerous hunters have already did all the testing in years prior. I guess you figure everything out in life by your own testing and you need to see things with your own eyes? I feel for you. Testing has it’s time and place and I do plenty of it, but when you see 3 folders full of dead large game, what more do you need to trust that Carbon Tech Arrows will do their job?

I wasn’t arguing with Len…I think he was under the impression that everything I posted was straight off a brochure. I was only excited about the lock down technology. He doesn’t know how much testing I have done with the QAD rest, he doesn’t know that I had Charles custom adjust it and mail me back another one to give me exactly the right amount of arrow support and fletching clearance for each shot and for my exact arrow speed. What other arrow rest company would provide this great customer service? Not many. As far as the bounce of the launcher arm, that was all found to be true by the men who designed it in the first place. Why argue with the ones who know the product best. Your logic must say I need to go out and buy a $4K slow motion camera and test the launcher arm bounce myself. Wake up.

This web sight is like a playground. This is what I see in you Gibblet. You have a financial gain from this web sight, so you slide around from board to board making people laugh and feel good as you slip your string making business in the topic here and there. You never really have a solid opinion about anything because you don’t want to possibly offend a future customer. The only time you do have a solid opinion is when you see somebody like me who goes against the grain and one who can be considered the underdog so to speak. When you see its safe, you dart out and make a cowardly attack and run back to your nest with all your online friends. After all it’s safe to give me lip because you already know how I’m perceived by the majority. At least I stand to always have a solid opinion and people will always know where they stand with me. I’m not afraid to stand alone.You’re like a weasel in the grass. This is not an attack against you, this is my personal experience in dealing with you, so I’m alowed to state my experience.

I say BowTechs Grips are very narrow and are the best among many other things and I get jumped. Greg gets on here after being excited about his new bows and says nearly the same thing. Not one person tells him to refrain from saying they are the best. Just goes to prove this place is a playground where you all congregate and pat each other on the back. How can I trust your opinions when most of it is tainted by relationships here on this web sight or your personal gains in this industry. I have no affiliation with the archery industry whatsoever.

In closing I’m so tired of hearing people talking about proof and further testing to convince you about a certain product. No better time to bring up the fact that sometimes you just have to take those that have more experience than you do as a proven method, such as looking at 3 folders full of dead animals to demonstrate how well the Carbon Tech Arrows work. You say you need more proof. You say I lack experience and testing time and that the arrows I shoot are weak. Yes people this conversation can get deeper and yes I’m going there…Gibblet, I guess you must think I’m off my rocker for believing in Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior since I believed it all, after reading the Bible and accepting him into my heart. How much proof do you need for that Gibblet? Do you need another Savior to come down here and perform miracles in front of your own eyes before you believe? Even those that saw, still didn’t believe, they waiting in the shadows and when they saw it was safe they darted out and spit in his face and crucified the only thing that can save their souls. Those cowardly actions sound familiar to me. Your opinion is not your own, you ride the waves that bring fortune to your hands and personal gain. You doubt everything unless you have tested it yourself and then your own testing may be flawed. I test as much as I can, but then there are times that I trust the very same people who know the product better than anybody else. Sometimes it just takes faith and since QAD is operated by Christians or those who believe in God I tend to trust their opinions over yours or some other guy you look up to on this web sight. Go ahead and keep mocking me about my lack of experience, I like to stand alone. You should try it sometime.

i will admit i read the part about wall thickness, which doesn't mean anything - its the construction technique of the wall that matters. once again, you've proved you don't know anything about anything yet, and don't know how to interpret information.

at the very least you've shown you have the ability to take meaningless statistics and create a lie with them to support your own point of view. i'm going to take that as a positive - you know what numbers are.

and while i never mentioned gold tip, they do have a stronger wall - even while being thinner. and while their spine tolerances may not be quite as good as CT, they are much better for shooting at animals.

Whoa ,looks like we got a little friction here!!

To make things very simply put...my discussion about wall thickness isto show that theCarbon Tech .300 spine arrow with a wall thickness of .059 at 443 grains total weight will not haveany problems cleaningkilling a deer PERIOD!!! Especially out of my bow. You picked the wrong fight buddy. Now have a seat. The proof is in thepictures I have seen and their accuracy has been tested and proven to exceed anything I have shot to date.

Your foundation of your original complaint was thatthese Carbon Tech Arrowsare not strong enough to do the job and that I shouldn't betrying toconvince other people to use them for hunting.I say B.S. We all know there are hundreds of deer killed every yearwith arrows much weaker than the ones I'm shooting and if you consider a .300 spineCT arrow to be weak, then you need to get your head checked.

Gibblet, you should think about that last paragraph on my previous post...it is the only positive thing you can gain from this silly discussion, not the fact that I can read numbers as you stated. Consider yourself served. You now have no excuse to tell your creator someday that nobody ever told you about Christ.Telling him you didn't have enough proof to believe isn't going to stick. [:-]

I am buy no means a very religous person but I don't believe questioning someones faith in either Jesus Christ or God is the proper thing to do on a bowhunting forum. Just my .02[:-]

Mildot.

The heading makes it sound that if some one is a crappy shot then switching to these arrows will make them a better shot which is just not true only quality practice will make them a better shot.

Yes they are a good arrow along with a lot of other good arrows on todays market.

i think it would be a good idea to get back on your medication now mildot. and if you think the folks here don't know you're a dope who's got the 'everything i have is the best' syndrome - you're just plain wrong. i got served - are you like 15? i do like your enthusiasm though, but still you're wrong. they are fragile arrows and all the talk in the world won't change that. they fly great, no doubt about it - but i wouldn't take one in the woods, and i wouldn't shoot a 3d tourny with them. the guys in my group would smell blood and destroy them.

i shoot gold tips - why, i get them cheap. just as cheap as i can get CT's. i cut 2" off each end, square the ends, and get 9-10 i'd take hunting out of a dozen. if i didn't cut both ends i'd probably get 3 or 4 out of a dozen - of either brand. do i think my goldtip cheapo's (hunter in the .006) are better than $100/dozen arrows - nope (and i mean $100/dozen my price - not yours). but when i take the time to take them from shaft to arrow properly - they fly as well as more expensive arrows i've bought. now, when i've mastered backtension with my truball ultra 2 finger, will i buy better arrows - yep! and they won't be CT. if CT could keep the tolerances and make a tougher walled arrow would i buy them - you bet your bottom dollar i would.

now, when you're questioning my faith, you've shown anger and defeat - i mean how low will you reach?

gibblet: serious questions: I am about to be a new arrow builder.... why do you cut both ends off carbon shafts and how much do you take off? Would you take the same amount off all shafts or do you test each somehow to determine what needs to be removed?

I am planning to get a doz GT Pro's and shoot both the GT and CT shafts over the next few months.

Thanks,
Joe