WOW, talk about digging up a old thread.

Savage quit using modules long ago. There are conversions to allow them to use shortened CF cases with a new breach plug. If you don't like it, put it up for sale on Doug's Savage and smokeless forum. Someone will buy it.

The MLII models use a bare 209 primer.

I guess the new years theme is for newbies to resurrect random old threads of as a way to make your first post on the forum. Happening alot lately. This one is only 8 yrs old... wow.

It makes we wonder if he knows about replacing the vent liner. When the vent erodes it increases pressure on the primer a lot. The old design had 3 holes and they wore out FAST. I don't think you can get those vent liners any more and the plug sounds like it trashed now. It will keep eating modules unless the breach plug can be resurfaced.

I definitely like your .02 cents pal.

yep me too

Myself, i don't understand why my path is not respected. What i did was move to a new state, and read the game regulations. What became apparent to me was if i took up the muzzle loader, i could purchase 5 doe tags, and go hunting, if my rifle met the regulation. That is when i purchased my first muzzle loader, an X7, because the regulation required iron sights, and non-smokeless powder, and bullets larger than 44 caliber. Well, the first year i owned the rifle, i didn't satisfy resident requirements, so i just shot paper. Having to use iron sights was a huge issue, because my old eyes couldn't focus on the front sight. To facilitate developing a good load, i mounted a scope and learned and learned about muzzle loader shooting from a modern in-line.

When the next muzzy season rolled around, i removed the optic, and hunted with the iron sights. It seemed so wrong to me, to have to hunt with a sight i couldn't really 'see', but i did it. Because i enjoyed hunting and shooting my inline muzzle loader so much, the next year i mounted a scope and hunted the regular rifle season with the muzzle loader. This i have done every year since, mostly because i enjoy hunting when i can see the sights. This year, for the first time, i was able to use a 1X scope during the muzzy season instead of the iron sights. What a wonderful experience that was for me. Being able to hunt deer using sights i could actually see. Sighting through a 1X scope is kinda like sighting through a straw, and isn't the best. Using a 1X scope with all the drawbacks, is so very very much more better than iron sights, i now no longer will hunt our regular rifle season with a muzzle loader. Being able to use the 1X scope for hunting the muzzy season, has allowed me to enjoy hunting the muzzy season for the first time, without worry of crippling deer, because i can't see the front sight.

The only reason i took up the muzzle loader, was to extend my hunting season. Regulation allowed me to use an inline. This year for the first time, regulation allowed a 1X scope. To me, these regulation have made my enjoyment of hunting more positive, and allowed me to make my kills with less chance of a 'gut shot'. Now that i can see the sights on my muzzle loader, i will enjoy muzzy season more than ever, and will no longer have to use a muzzle loader during the regular rifle season. The future will find me shooting, and researching a breech loader, which i will use from now forward, hunting the regular rifle season.

Give Joe Degrande a call and see what he can do for ya. I think you'll be really happy after you do that.

Somebody who says that and then puts a modern scope on their sidelock like I've seen in pics sounds more like a hypocrite than a traditional shooter . You need to stick with iron sights if you want your statement to have validity . Just my .02 cents

+1..........

This last season I hunted with a smokeless inline MUZZLELOADER, albeit with open sights, because the MN DNR says that's what I can use during MUZZLELOADER SEASON. It's important to note that I did not hunt with a traditional gun because our state doesn't say it's a traditional season.
It's an old argument that will never go anywhere because people can't look beyond their own opinions. If you don't like the way your state defines a muzzleloader, get over it or move somewhere else. That's like me yelling at you because you were driving the speed limit in a blue car, even though I personally feel like you should have been driving slower in a red car. It's pretty childish.
I'll stop now.