What is Brand Bashing?
01-01-2018 | 12:26 PM
#31
Giant Nontypical
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,612
Likes: 0
Nope all chromoly BUT the nitride is in the barrel also. Only the barrel though. Black nitride is for steels only. Their cerakote barrels are bare chromoly in the bore and none of their rifles have a removable steel firing pin bushing. The firing pin assembly itself on a CVA is easily removed and cleaned.
I cant see paying what they go for when you can buy a CVA that offers more for the same cost or less.
I cant see paying what they go for when you can buy a CVA that offers more for the same cost or less.
Last edited by Gm54-120; 01-01-2018 at 12:32 PM.
01-01-2018 | 12:53 PM
#32
Thread Starter
Fork Horn
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 205
Likes: 0
What steels CVA use is up to their engineers, I have never claimed otherwise, It is apparent the bashing muzzleloaders occur quite frequently on this forum, especially the CVA. Every one cannot afford a knight, you know my thoughts on that. So why would you deprive a person from buying a CVA or Traditions Gun. I know there is a reason for it, why?
01-01-2018 | 01:12 PM
#33
Boone & Crockett
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 16,626
Likes: 11
From: south eastern PA
What steels CVA use is up to their engineers, I have never claimed otherwise, It is apparent the bashing muzzleloaders occur quite frequently on this forum, especially the CVA. Every one cannot afford a knight, you know my thoughts on that. So why would you deprive a person from buying a CVA or Traditions Gun. I know there is a reason for it, why?
Are you suffering from the after effects of too much imbibing on new years eve? No where in this entire thread has anyone come close to saying they want to deprive anyone from buying a less expensive firearm. No where! It would appear in your world, the truth is a bad thing. You got your answer to your OP several times over, the horse is dead, let it rest in peace.
01-01-2018 | 01:21 PM
#34
Thread Starter
Fork Horn
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 205
Likes: 0
[/B]
Are you suffering from the after effects of too much imbibing on new years eve? No where in this entire thread has anyone come close to saying they want to deprive anyone from buying a less expensive firearm. No where! It would appear in your world, the truth is a bad thing. You got your answer to your OP several times over, the horse is dead, let it rest in peace.
Are you suffering from the after effects of too much imbibing on new years eve? No where in this entire thread has anyone come close to saying they want to deprive anyone from buying a less expensive firearm. No where! It would appear in your world, the truth is a bad thing. You got your answer to your OP several times over, the horse is dead, let it rest in peace.
01-01-2018 | 04:43 PM
#37
Super Moderator
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 18,767
Likes: 12
From: Northern California
I'm not normally in the BP forum (my apologies all) and was gone this weekend on a bucket trip New Year's Eve beach trip with my lovely wife so I didn't see the PM or this topic until now. In general, I'll try to answer your comments below in blue ink so it's easier to compare/contrast. We recently lost our regular BP mod (may Cayugad rest in peace) and also recently lost one of our major contributing expert members (may SuperHunt rest in peace). Both guys were outstanding gents and incredibly knowledgeable and experienced. And if either of them said there was a problem with a gun or brand, it was take to the bank stuff.
You'll pardon me if I don't bother reading what NBC News has to say about what's allowed or not in online negative reviews. They don't have much credibility with the truth nor with firearms. If you are simply unable to figure out if something is violating the rules, consult a mod--that's part of what we're here for. I don't know who is going to replace Cayugad as the BP mod or if he's going to be replaced at all. I would imagine JW and Jake will end up doing some of the moderating here but don't know how much if any moderating either wishes to do in this forum--Sometimes you guys can play rough. 
What is brand Bashing
I Am CONFUSED!
You've come to the right place to resolve that.
On the internet it is like pulling teeth trying to find a bad review on a muzzleloader, any brand.
That must be vastly different for BP as most other types of firearms and even bows will have the good, the bad and the ugly.
Knight has a post where they request the reviews of their “Satisfied” customers. It would seem to me that a bad review would be more important. As an honest review would show where improvement is needed, possibly in many areas. Bad reviews if acted upon by the manufacturer would create a more desirable product, which would probably lead to more sales.
Since this is directed at Knight on their own website, you need to contact them. Not our business or place to say what they do on their own website.
On forums Brand Bashing is frowned upon.
In "general," most any forum is not going to allow somebody to simply post repetitive bad stuff about any brand or product as it could rise to a level where that forum is now subject to some lawsuit from said brand or product. Some forums are more particular and some are less--it just depends on the individual forum.
If one cannot post of a bad experience with a product from a muzzleloader manufacturer, be it a gun, accessory, warranty, quality or customer service. How is anyone who is considering purchasing a brand of muzzleloader, going to get any real-time information, to make a decision on which one to purchase.
Granted, depending on the severity of treatment and dissatisfaction reviews can get “Colorful” in the heat of the moment. Good or Bad Reviews.
People (members) are allowed to post their own personal bad experience with a particular product or brand on HNI. If your particular gun did not function properly and you had to get it fixed, both the defect and what level of customer service you received is appropriate for posting in the appropriate forum. You can't post multiple topics about the same problem experience and you can't make numerous posts saying the same thing just because you're wound up about it.
So, if a new shooter can only go by the reviews of the satisfied shooters and does not know personally people who take part in the sport of muzzleloading. How can the new shooter make an educated guess as to which Muzzleloader and/or Brand to buy?
A "new shooter" can (and should) do appropriate due diligence in numerous forums and topics, including asking seasoned members what they recommend based on his/her specific situation and why. If your research only consists of reading about negative reviews, you're shortchanging yourself. The same with just positive reviews.
I approach members with LOTS of experience if I have a question and heed their advice. Usually I have follow-up questions and they are generally willing to help somebody with their hard earned knowledge and, most importantly, their invaluable experience.
Learning why something did or didn't work for somebody is often way more important than just being told it didn't work. Because then you can compare their experience with exactly what you want to use the product for and get a good idea if it will work for you (or not).
Where can a new shooter get their information. Good or Bad.
I generally start reading forums to see what personal experiences members have had with a product. You can usually figure out pretty quickly if they know what they're talking about or not. Often, they provide something you hadn't even considered, making your research even more valuable.
Is there an acceptable way to post a bad experience with a muzzleloader. here is a little more information:
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/con...ngress-n693001
I Am CONFUSED!
You've come to the right place to resolve that.
On the internet it is like pulling teeth trying to find a bad review on a muzzleloader, any brand.
That must be vastly different for BP as most other types of firearms and even bows will have the good, the bad and the ugly.
Knight has a post where they request the reviews of their “Satisfied” customers. It would seem to me that a bad review would be more important. As an honest review would show where improvement is needed, possibly in many areas. Bad reviews if acted upon by the manufacturer would create a more desirable product, which would probably lead to more sales.
Since this is directed at Knight on their own website, you need to contact them. Not our business or place to say what they do on their own website.
On forums Brand Bashing is frowned upon.
In "general," most any forum is not going to allow somebody to simply post repetitive bad stuff about any brand or product as it could rise to a level where that forum is now subject to some lawsuit from said brand or product. Some forums are more particular and some are less--it just depends on the individual forum.
If one cannot post of a bad experience with a product from a muzzleloader manufacturer, be it a gun, accessory, warranty, quality or customer service. How is anyone who is considering purchasing a brand of muzzleloader, going to get any real-time information, to make a decision on which one to purchase.
Granted, depending on the severity of treatment and dissatisfaction reviews can get “Colorful” in the heat of the moment. Good or Bad Reviews.
People (members) are allowed to post their own personal bad experience with a particular product or brand on HNI. If your particular gun did not function properly and you had to get it fixed, both the defect and what level of customer service you received is appropriate for posting in the appropriate forum. You can't post multiple topics about the same problem experience and you can't make numerous posts saying the same thing just because you're wound up about it.
So, if a new shooter can only go by the reviews of the satisfied shooters and does not know personally people who take part in the sport of muzzleloading. How can the new shooter make an educated guess as to which Muzzleloader and/or Brand to buy?
A "new shooter" can (and should) do appropriate due diligence in numerous forums and topics, including asking seasoned members what they recommend based on his/her specific situation and why. If your research only consists of reading about negative reviews, you're shortchanging yourself. The same with just positive reviews.
I approach members with LOTS of experience if I have a question and heed their advice. Usually I have follow-up questions and they are generally willing to help somebody with their hard earned knowledge and, most importantly, their invaluable experience.
Learning why something did or didn't work for somebody is often way more important than just being told it didn't work. Because then you can compare their experience with exactly what you want to use the product for and get a good idea if it will work for you (or not).
Where can a new shooter get their information. Good or Bad.
I generally start reading forums to see what personal experiences members have had with a product. You can usually figure out pretty quickly if they know what they're talking about or not. Often, they provide something you hadn't even considered, making your research even more valuable.
Is there an acceptable way to post a bad experience with a muzzleloader. here is a little more information:
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/con...ngress-n693001
01-01-2018 | 05:37 PM
#38
Super Moderator
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 7,488
Likes: 7
From: Wisconsin
I will help you.
Brand bashing is constant/persistent negative reviews or opinions of a service or a product you do not like. If HNI is approached for any negative reviews, such as written here, which in the manufacturers opinion is liable or slander, HNI is obligated to turn over everything right down to the I.P. numbers. One may try to delete but trust me its written in stone. Read the rules AS you agreed to ABIDE when you joined HNI. IT is stated there.
You have clearly stated what you do and don't like. You have posted on both topics.
Time to move on.
Negative reviews on products or services is good.
Constant negative comments, or posting the same topic is not as it leads to "Brand Wars", which this forum has seen a few times.
We will not let that happen again.
JW
Brand bashing is constant/persistent negative reviews or opinions of a service or a product you do not like. If HNI is approached for any negative reviews, such as written here, which in the manufacturers opinion is liable or slander, HNI is obligated to turn over everything right down to the I.P. numbers. One may try to delete but trust me its written in stone. Read the rules AS you agreed to ABIDE when you joined HNI. IT is stated there.
You have clearly stated what you do and don't like. You have posted on both topics.
Time to move on.
Negative reviews on products or services is good.
Constant negative comments, or posting the same topic is not as it leads to "Brand Wars", which this forum has seen a few times.
We will not let that happen again.
JW
Last edited by JW; 01-01-2018 at 05:40 PM.
01-01-2018 | 08:02 PM
#39
Thread Starter
Fork Horn
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 205
Likes: 0
I'm not normally in the BP forum (my apologies all) and was gone this weekend on a bucket trip New Year's Eve beach trip with my lovely wife so I didn't see the PM or this topic until now. In general, I'll try to answer your comments below in blue ink so it's easier to compare/contrast. We recently lost our regular BP mod (may Cayugad rest in peace) and also recently lost one of our major contributing expert members (may SuperHunt rest in peace). Both guys were outstanding gents and incredibly knowledgeable and experienced. And if either of them said there was a problem with a gun or brand, it was take to the bank stuff.
You'll pardon me if I don't bother reading what NBC News has to say about what's allowed or not in online negative reviews. They don't have much credibility with the truth nor with firearms. If you are simply unable to figure out if something is violating the rules, consult a mod--that's part of what we're here for. I don't know who is going to replace Cayugad as the BP mod or if he's going to be replaced at all. I would imagine JW and Jake will end up doing some of the moderating here but don't know how much if any moderating either wishes to do in this forum--Sometimes you guys can play rough.
You'll pardon me if I don't bother reading what NBC News has to say about what's allowed or not in online negative reviews. They don't have much credibility with the truth nor with firearms. If you are simply unable to figure out if something is violating the rules, consult a mod--that's part of what we're here for. I don't know who is going to replace Cayugad as the BP mod or if he's going to be replaced at all. I would imagine JW and Jake will end up doing some of the moderating here but don't know how much if any moderating either wishes to do in this forum--Sometimes you guys can play rough.
I got caught up in a lot of people changing the chronological order of what occurred as stated in my original post and what was said. People were forming their own story as to what they posted to. I felt I was being belittled quite a bit. I also felt I was being bashed for giving a bad Review of the Mountaineer.
I thank you for the clarification, that is all I was looking for, sorry to be a bother.
01-01-2018 | 08:25 PM
#40
Thread Starter
Fork Horn
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 205
Likes: 0
I will help you.
Brand bashing is constant/persistent negative reviews or opinions of a service or a product you do not like. If HNI is approached for any negative reviews, such as written here, which in the manufacturers opinion is liable or slander, HNI is obligated to turn over everything right down to the I.P. numbers. One may try to delete but trust me its written in stone. Read the rules AS you agreed to ABIDE when you joined HNI. IT is stated there.
You have clearly stated what you do and don't like. You have posted on both topics.
Time to move on.
Negative reviews on products or services is good.
Constant negative comments, or posting the same topic is not as it leads to "Brand Wars", which this forum has seen a few times.
We will not let that happen again.
JW
Brand bashing is constant/persistent negative reviews or opinions of a service or a product you do not like. If HNI is approached for any negative reviews, such as written here, which in the manufacturers opinion is liable or slander, HNI is obligated to turn over everything right down to the I.P. numbers. One may try to delete but trust me its written in stone. Read the rules AS you agreed to ABIDE when you joined HNI. IT is stated there.
You have clearly stated what you do and don't like. You have posted on both topics.
Time to move on.
Negative reviews on products or services is good.
Constant negative comments, or posting the same topic is not as it leads to "Brand Wars", which this forum has seen a few times.
We will not let that happen again.
JW