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Old 01-01-2018 | 04:43 PM
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I'm not normally in the BP forum (my apologies all) and was gone this weekend on a bucket trip New Year's Eve beach trip with my lovely wife so I didn't see the PM or this topic until now. In general, I'll try to answer your comments below in blue ink so it's easier to compare/contrast. We recently lost our regular BP mod (may Cayugad rest in peace) and also recently lost one of our major contributing expert members (may SuperHunt rest in peace). Both guys were outstanding gents and incredibly knowledgeable and experienced. And if either of them said there was a problem with a gun or brand, it was take to the bank stuff.

Originally Posted by d.winsor
What is brand Bashing

I Am CONFUSED!
You've come to the right place to resolve that.

On the internet it is like pulling teeth trying to find a bad review on a muzzleloader, any brand.
That must be vastly different for BP as most other types of firearms and even bows will have the good, the bad and the ugly.

Knight has a post where they request the reviews of their “Satisfied” customers. It would seem to me that a bad review would be more important. As an honest review would show where improvement is needed, possibly in many areas. Bad reviews if acted upon by the manufacturer would create a more desirable product, which would probably lead to more sales.
Since this is directed at Knight on their own website, you need to contact them. Not our business or place to say what they do on their own website.

On forums Brand Bashing is frowned upon.
In "general," most any forum is not going to allow somebody to simply post repetitive bad stuff about any brand or product as it could rise to a level where that forum is now subject to some lawsuit from said brand or product. Some forums are more particular and some are less--it just depends on the individual forum.

If one cannot post of a bad experience with a product from a muzzleloader manufacturer, be it a gun, accessory, warranty, quality or customer service. How is anyone who is considering purchasing a brand of muzzleloader, going to get any real-time information, to make a decision on which one to purchase.
Granted, depending on the severity of treatment and dissatisfaction reviews can get “Colorful” in the heat of the moment. Good or Bad Reviews.
People (members) are allowed to post their own personal bad experience with a particular product or brand on HNI. If your particular gun did not function properly and you had to get it fixed, both the defect and what level of customer service you received is appropriate for posting in the appropriate forum. You can't post multiple topics about the same problem experience and you can't make numerous posts saying the same thing just because you're wound up about it.

So, if a new shooter can only go by the reviews of the satisfied shooters and does not know personally people who take part in the sport of muzzleloading. How can the new shooter make an educated guess as to which Muzzleloader and/or Brand to buy?
A "new shooter" can (and should) do appropriate due diligence in numerous forums and topics, including asking seasoned members what they recommend based on his/her specific situation and why. If your research only consists of reading about negative reviews, you're shortchanging yourself. The same with just positive reviews.

I approach members with LOTS of experience if I have a question and heed their advice. Usually I have follow-up questions and they are generally willing to help somebody with their hard earned knowledge and, most importantly, their invaluable experience.

Learning why something did or didn't work for somebody is often way more important than just being told it didn't work. Because then you can compare their experience with exactly what you want to use the product for and get a good idea if it will work for you (or not).

Where can a new shooter get their information. Good or Bad.
I generally start reading forums to see what personal experiences members have had with a product. You can usually figure out pretty quickly if they know what they're talking about or not. Often, they provide something you hadn't even considered, making your research even more valuable.

Is there an acceptable way to post a bad experience with a muzzleloader. here is a little more information:
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/con...ngress-n693001
You'll pardon me if I don't bother reading what NBC News has to say about what's allowed or not in online negative reviews. They don't have much credibility with the truth nor with firearms. If you are simply unable to figure out if something is violating the rules, consult a mod--that's part of what we're here for. I don't know who is going to replace Cayugad as the BP mod or if he's going to be replaced at all. I would imagine JW and Jake will end up doing some of the moderating here but don't know how much if any moderating either wishes to do in this forum--Sometimes you guys can play rough.
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