252g Powerbelt Hollowpoint
08-01-2015, 12:45 PM
#131
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Illinois
Posts: 3,695
We will get you on a ML'er one day Cal! But if you say you want to shoot a PB at Live game, expect a serious lashing from 90% of us!
But there is a VAST difference between a bullet that will actually penetrate shoulder and one that blows up on the hide of a deer. Will a PB kill a deer? Yep, so can a rock if thrown hard enough and hit's just the right spot. That sure don't mean I'm gonna start throwing rocks at deer! Just too many horror stories out there and I've witnessed myself the poor performance of them. I've hunted with lead alloy connies that perform 100 times better than those things.
But there is a VAST difference between a bullet that will actually penetrate shoulder and one that blows up on the hide of a deer. Will a PB kill a deer? Yep, so can a rock if thrown hard enough and hit's just the right spot. That sure don't mean I'm gonna start throwing rocks at deer! Just too many horror stories out there and I've witnessed myself the poor performance of them. I've hunted with lead alloy connies that perform 100 times better than those things.
08-01-2015, 12:47 PM
#132
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,557
Muley, it's a free country, do what you will w/those PB's.
Just considering things. I'd hate to be the out of state hunter using PB's on a dream hunt knowing the bullet used were so pitiful extreme compromise had to be used w/them. Or, how about that hunter shoots an animal that gets away for lack of a blood trail and can't otherwise be tracked?
If that hunter comes to the conclusion the PB's don't work, they then need to spend valuable hunting time setting up a different bullet/powder charge recipe hoping they can continue that paid hunt. Living in a game rich area and frequently being able to pass on shots is a whole different circumstance.
Just considering things. I'd hate to be the out of state hunter using PB's on a dream hunt knowing the bullet used were so pitiful extreme compromise had to be used w/them. Or, how about that hunter shoots an animal that gets away for lack of a blood trail and can't otherwise be tracked?
If that hunter comes to the conclusion the PB's don't work, they then need to spend valuable hunting time setting up a different bullet/powder charge recipe hoping they can continue that paid hunt. Living in a game rich area and frequently being able to pass on shots is a whole different circumstance.
No hunter should use ammo they know nothing about.
08-01-2015, 12:52 PM
#133
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,557
We will get you on a ML'er one day Cal! But if you say you want to shoot a PB at Live game, expect a serious lashing from 90% of us!
But there is a VAST difference between a bullet that will actually penetrate shoulder and one that blows up on the hide of a deer. Will a PB kill a deer? Yep, so can a rock if thrown hard enough and hit's just the right spot. That sure don't mean I'm gonna start throwing rocks at deer! Just too many horror stories out there and I've witnessed myself the poor performance of them. I've hunted with lead alloy connies that perform 100 times better than those things.
But there is a VAST difference between a bullet that will actually penetrate shoulder and one that blows up on the hide of a deer. Will a PB kill a deer? Yep, so can a rock if thrown hard enough and hit's just the right spot. That sure don't mean I'm gonna start throwing rocks at deer! Just too many horror stories out there and I've witnessed myself the poor performance of them. I've hunted with lead alloy connies that perform 100 times better than those things.
Something is very wrong when a bullet kills a cow elk that is bigger and tougher than any deer, and someone else can't penetrate the hide on 100lb whitetail.
Horror stories is right. The key word is stories.
08-01-2015, 03:10 PM
#134
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Illinois
Posts: 282
Sorry to interrupt the drama, but I was just wondering: what would you guys suggest as an alternative to the powerbelts? Once upon a time, long long ago, I helped one of my cousins get his .54 cal traditions muzzleloader set up, and I grabbed the only thing I could find on the shelf locally: 348 grain(I think) Powerbelt Aerotips and some pyrodex pellets. He's killed a bunch of deer with no issues that I know of. However, he's rather uninitiated and relies on me for gun advice. If there's something better hat he should use, I thought I might get him switched over, before he does have a problem. Unfortunately, muzzleloading rifles is one of those topics I don't know much about. Any suggestions?
08-01-2015, 03:40 PM
#135
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: VA.
Posts: 1,415
I'm not trying to be argumentative but that statement needs to be put in context. Here's where that statement is wrong. A hunter get's into BP w/his new inline. He reads reviews by most people that don't give shooting specifics and some that give good ratings w/o having used the bullet on game. He needs to make a bullet selection and chose this one because the ratings are good- it's popular. The hunter knows little about velocity or terminal performance. He does manage to work up a load and get acceptable accuracy. He has practiced his shooting distances and expected shot angles. When it comes shooting time on the hunt, the bullet doesn't perform as expected. The ratings suggested the bullet would work but the hunter is remiss. The shortcomings of this bullet the hunter learns the hard way. The game animal was wounded or lost because this hunter, like so many new ones or new to BP knew nothing about the potential risks involved w/this bullet. This is not an uncommon occurrence.
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08-01-2015, 03:58 PM
#136
Nontypical Buck
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Rapid City, South Dakota
Posts: 3,732
Folks,
There were two bullets tested using the same set, carpet, plywood, water filled jugs, that penetrated into the sixth jug, and stopped there. Some bullets penetrated into the fifth jug, and stopped there. Some into the fourth, some into the third. This bullet only made it into the second water jug, and was pancaked.
So what has sparked the most discussion? Those that 'WOW' penetrated six jugs? Nope, nope, the worst bullet tested, is being talked about the most.
In this thread, names have been called, people have been labeled, one threatened to quit, and called this here forum a bad forum. Then somehow i joined a click, that i know nothing about. Oh the irony, the irony, the irony of it all.
There were two bullets tested using the same set, carpet, plywood, water filled jugs, that penetrated into the sixth jug, and stopped there. Some bullets penetrated into the fifth jug, and stopped there. Some into the fourth, some into the third. This bullet only made it into the second water jug, and was pancaked.
So what has sparked the most discussion? Those that 'WOW' penetrated six jugs? Nope, nope, the worst bullet tested, is being talked about the most.
In this thread, names have been called, people have been labeled, one threatened to quit, and called this here forum a bad forum. Then somehow i joined a click, that i know nothing about. Oh the irony, the irony, the irony of it all.
08-01-2015, 04:17 PM
#138
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,557
I'm not trying to be argumentative but that statement needs to be put in context. Here's where that statement is wrong. A hunter get's into BP w/his new inline. He reads reviews by most people that don't give shooting specifics and some that give good ratings w/o having used the bullet on game. He needs to make a bullet selection and chose this one because the ratings are good- it's popular. The hunter knows little about velocity or terminal performance. He does manage to work up a load and get acceptable accuracy. He has practiced his shooting distances and expected shot angles. When it comes shooting time on the hunt, the bullet doesn't perform as expected. The ratings suggested the bullet would work but the hunter is remiss. The shortcomings of this bullet the hunter learns the hard way. The game animal was wounded or lost because this hunter, like so many new ones or new to BP knew nothing about the potential risks involved w/this bullet. This is not an uncommon occurrence.
PB's and PRB's get the most negative feedback, and ironically they've killed the most game.
08-01-2015, 04:23 PM
#139
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: VA.
Posts: 1,415
[QUOTE=ronlaughlin;4210038]........
So what has sparked the most discussion? Those that 'WOW' penetrated six jugs? Nope, nope, the worst bullet tested, is being talked about the most.
........../QUOTE]
Ron, perhaps there was a typo. I'm not familiar w/a 252 gr. PB HP. Did you mean .45 cal. 225 gr?
I took this thread the mean .50 cal. 245 gr. Perhaps that led to some confusion.
I'll just go on record and say that I've previously used the .50 cal. 245 PB HP and the 295 gr. HP. and experienced pathetic performance from them both. Wouldn't recommend either for deer.
So what has sparked the most discussion? Those that 'WOW' penetrated six jugs? Nope, nope, the worst bullet tested, is being talked about the most.
........../QUOTE]
Ron, perhaps there was a typo. I'm not familiar w/a 252 gr. PB HP. Did you mean .45 cal. 225 gr?
I took this thread the mean .50 cal. 245 gr. Perhaps that led to some confusion.
I'll just go on record and say that I've previously used the .50 cal. 245 PB HP and the 295 gr. HP. and experienced pathetic performance from them both. Wouldn't recommend either for deer.
08-01-2015, 04:26 PM
#140
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,557
[QUOTE=Game Stalker;4210049]
I agree the HP expands way too much.
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So what has sparked the most discussion? Those that 'WOW' penetrated six jugs? Nope, nope, the worst bullet tested, is being talked about the most.
........../QUOTE]
Ron, perhaps there was a typo. I'm not familiar w/a 252 gr. PB HP. Did you mean .45 cal. 225 gr?
I took this thread the mean .50 cal. 245 gr. Perhaps that led to some confusion.
I'll just go on record and say that I've previously used the .50 cal. 245 PB HP and the 295 gr. HP. and experienced pathetic performance from them both. Wouldn't recommend either for deer.
So what has sparked the most discussion? Those that 'WOW' penetrated six jugs? Nope, nope, the worst bullet tested, is being talked about the most.
........../QUOTE]
Ron, perhaps there was a typo. I'm not familiar w/a 252 gr. PB HP. Did you mean .45 cal. 225 gr?
I took this thread the mean .50 cal. 245 gr. Perhaps that led to some confusion.
I'll just go on record and say that I've previously used the .50 cal. 245 PB HP and the 295 gr. HP. and experienced pathetic performance from them both. Wouldn't recommend either for deer.