That does look really nice!

Very nice looking rifle. But you're paying for those pretty stocks. While I am sure they are top of the line, although I know nothing about them, I kind of agree with Triple Seven... what can it do that a good Knight or White can not do? And I would sure hate to scratch that beauty. It might be a range queen. Kind of like my custom flintlock. I decided I don't want to haul that into the woods.

Very good point. For hunters that's really not as important then you think. Don't get me wrong, accuracy is very important. But I don't hunt with my most accurate load most of the time.

Its going to be pretty hard to find a stock better then the one on the Knight Ultralite. All the parts on the Ultralite are machined and very high quality. The only thing I think that needs improved on the Ultralite is the bolt. The NULA is much smoother. And I think that's an improvement Knight could make. But a Knight Ultralite is 1/3 the cost of a NULA if you shop around.

This new ML looks very good. Actually two good for me. But here again, im a hunter not a shooter. A 1/20 45 Ultralite is all I want. Not sure why that's so hard to get.:barmy:

I understand having a nice ML to hang on the wall. My brassy longrifle Shenandoah is what I hang and it has a couple niches on the stock now. I treat that gun to a one-time hunting day once every three years. I am very careful with it, despite it being under $400 new and delivered, eight years ago. No one that's commented on it's looks has told me it doesn't warrant being hanged anymore, that I should buy a more fancy-schmancy

A fancy schmancy wood-stock inline I like, with nice quality and looks, is the Lyman Mustang and it's only between $600-$700.

http://http://www.lymanproducts.com/...ustang-209.php

But YES, had I currently earned some very good dinero, I would purchase a Cooper. They are gorgeous rifles and I'm sure shoot very well. I can then use it at a private Hunting Club, where I pay $1000+ to trap and shoot/harvest a deer. :s3:.

Then I take a nice photo and put it next to my Doctor's license on the wall and tell everyone how good I hunt and how hard I hunt - how difficult it was to capture that deer. :s2:

hahahahahahahahaha..............

IMO there's nothing wrong with a "fancy" muzzleloader, or one that looks ugly as sin. There's also nothing wrong with a muzzleloader that costs its owner $300, or rather it costs him $3,000. However if every muzzleloader cost $3,000, there wouldn't be as many owner/shooters either. Custom built muzzleloaders cost money to design, engineer and manufacture.

Some owners like a safe full of low to medium price rifles, others are happy to have just one higher priced and quality custom built rifle. Nothing wrong with either...... This new Cooper just won't be a rifle for everyone and that's ok too.

If anything about a new custom rifle hitting the market surprises me, is that its only a maximum 150gr capable rifle. IMO it would have increased interest in more prospective buyers, had it been capable of heavier charges.

Come on Grouse....use some of your pull :s3:

I'd definitely get the Remington. It still has a floor plate release, so there is obviously a place to carry a Snickers.

For that kind of money I can buy 2 more old style Remington 700's and have a pair of wood stocks built for them.

Nice looking rifles but I think the price point will keep them on the rare side.

:D Al

Cooper enjoys a great reputation in the firearms industry for their center fire rifles. I'm delighted to see that they have ventured into the ML side of the business. It's also interesting to note that elected to go with a more conventional ML, rather than smokeless or hyper powered like the new Remington. I just hope it shoots as great as it looks.

Yes but they should have went with a 1:24 not the 1:28 twist . 1:28 might be the most common twist but in our day and age of better projectiles the 1:24 would make more sense for a 50 cal. , especially a top end gun like that