Hornady SST vs TC Shockwave
12-07-2014, 04:28 AM
#41
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Texas
Posts: 143
Here's a link to Russell Lynch's site...this one goes to his DVD page. He tests many different bullets in ballistic gel.
He buys all equipment and components out of his pocket...no sponsors. I have an Omega and bought the DVD for it.
Check it out, it's a real eye opener when it comes to terminal bullet performance. The DVD contains lots of good tips and information...money well spent IMHO.
http://www.maxmuzzleloader.com/products.html
He buys all equipment and components out of his pocket...no sponsors. I have an Omega and bought the DVD for it.
Check it out, it's a real eye opener when it comes to terminal bullet performance. The DVD contains lots of good tips and information...money well spent IMHO.
http://www.maxmuzzleloader.com/products.html
12-07-2014, 05:53 AM
#42
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Comance county, OK
Posts: 11,408
He tests many different bullets in ballistic gel.
Yep, they always use ballistic gel. Then they extrapolate info gathered from their ballistic gel tests into the bullets alleged effectiveness on live animals like deer that consist of hides, fat, bones, guts, muscle and lots of other stuff.
This hog weighed 384 pounds on the hoof. He was shot by me using a 250 grain SST bullet powered by 100 grains of either JSG or 2F Pinnacle powder, forget which. Distance was about 35 yards. Boar measured 19" through the path that the bullet took. Bullet broke one rib going in and two ribs going out. Bullet penetrated both 1 1/2 inch "shields" and was found nicely mushroomed under the hide on the opposide side.
i buy into an occasional failure of the SST bullet to expand or an occcasional separation of lead core and jacket, but not frequent instances of both.
Way back when the US Army tested their bullets on hogs.
12-07-2014, 07:16 PM
#44
Fork Horn
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 205
Midway has them in box of 20 with red sabots or box of 50 with no sabots. http://www.midwayusa.com/find?userSe...ornady+bullets
here are the T/C superglide sabots I use https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.c...ullet_(50_Pack)
Awesome terminal ballistics on a 4 point buck this year.
Last edited by d.winsor; 12-07-2014 at 07:25 PM.
12-08-2014, 02:59 AM
#45
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Virginia / West Virginia
Posts: 4,906
Yep, they always use ballistic gel. Then they extrapolate info gathered from their ballistic gel tests into the bullets alleged effectiveness on live animals like deer that consist of hides, fat, bones, guts, muscle and lots of other stuff.
This hog weighed 384 pounds on the hoof. He was shot by me using a 250 grain SST bullet powered by 100 grains of either JSG or 2F Pinnacle powder, forget which. Distance was about 35 yards. Boar measured 19" through the path that the bullet took. Bullet broke one rib going in and two ribs going out. Bullet penetrated both 1 1/2 inch "shields" and was found nicely mushroomed under the hide on the opposide side.
i buy into an occasional failure of the SST bullet to expand or an occcasional separation of lead core and jacket, but not frequent instances of both.
This hog weighed 384 pounds on the hoof. He was shot by me using a 250 grain SST bullet powered by 100 grains of either JSG or 2F Pinnacle powder, forget which. Distance was about 35 yards. Boar measured 19" through the path that the bullet took. Bullet broke one rib going in and two ribs going out. Bullet penetrated both 1 1/2 inch "shields" and was found nicely mushroomed under the hide on the opposide side.
i buy into an occasional failure of the SST bullet to expand or an occcasional separation of lead core and jacket, but not frequent instances of both.
I completely agree with the statement above. Things happen. I've seen crazy stuff happen over the years - even with CF bullets that are top tier.
Doesn't SST/Shockwave have 2 type of bullets, one much tougher than the other? (bonded I believe) I can't remember.
Last edited by WV Hunter; 12-08-2014 at 03:01 AM.
12-12-2014, 03:29 AM
#46
Spike
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: STL
Posts: 26
I shot the SST's last Sunday, first shot barely hit paper at 75 yards (that's what I was sighted in for with the Barnes) had to make big adjustment and never found any consistent grouping after 8 shots? When's back to the Barnes, barely hit paper with first shot due new settings with the SST's. Made big adjustments, very next shot was dead center about an inch high and called it a day. Actually couldn't shoot any more of my Barnes as I am now down to two left and every place that carries them has them out of stock. Lesson learned!
There is one thing I can complement the SST's for, they do go down the barrel easier, but, I can't feel them "seat" on the powder pellets like the Barnes sabots.
After deer season is over, I will shoot the rest of the SST's to see if I can do any better with them. Just feel I need to stick with the Barnes T-EZ's for deer season.
There is one thing I can complement the SST's for, they do go down the barrel easier, but, I can't feel them "seat" on the powder pellets like the Barnes sabots.
After deer season is over, I will shoot the rest of the SST's to see if I can do any better with them. Just feel I need to stick with the Barnes T-EZ's for deer season.
12-12-2014, 04:34 AM
#47
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 2,922
You just cited two reasons why I don't use pellets.
1) Can't feel the stop button with the ramrod suggests there's a chance to break the pellets. Not gonna' happen with loose powder.
2) Unable to find accuracy with a very populat and highly noted accuracy-friendly bullet like SST. Had you used loose powder and changed your powder volume in five grain increments until successful, you likely would have found a nice match.
1) Can't feel the stop button with the ramrod suggests there's a chance to break the pellets. Not gonna' happen with loose powder.
2) Unable to find accuracy with a very populat and highly noted accuracy-friendly bullet like SST. Had you used loose powder and changed your powder volume in five grain increments until successful, you likely would have found a nice match.
12-13-2014, 04:50 PM
#48
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,834
You just cited two reasons why I don't use pellets.
1) Can't feel the stop button with the ramrod suggests there's a chance to break the pellets. Not gonna' happen with loose powder.
2) Unable to find accuracy with a very populat and highly noted accuracy-friendly bullet like SST. Had you used loose powder and changed your powder volume in five grain increments until successful, you likely would have found a nice match.
1) Can't feel the stop button with the ramrod suggests there's a chance to break the pellets. Not gonna' happen with loose powder.
2) Unable to find accuracy with a very populat and highly noted accuracy-friendly bullet like SST. Had you used loose powder and changed your powder volume in five grain increments until successful, you likely would have found a nice match.
12-13-2014, 04:56 PM
#49
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Near a lake with no fish
Posts: 1,077
Don't crush the pellets by over seating the bullet. Its what witness marks are for. I just put 500 rounds and 1,500 pellets down range in a new rifle and never crushed a pellet.
12-13-2014, 06:22 PM
#50
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 6,585
There was a remark earlier that PRB do not expand. I hunted with a 54 for many years I took 27 deer during that time every ball that was recovered was expanded to double its size some time they turned completely inside out and back to a ball shape, they do a lot of damage. Out of 27 deer only one ran over 30 yards and that was on a 125 yd. shot.