Depends on how worse the accuracy issue was. I am not out to win a target contest - I am a hunter, what aids me while hunting is what i lean to. If I can constantly get 1 to 1 1/2" groups @ 100 off the bench that really works for me. If I switch to a harvester and get 1" to 3/4" groups who really cares unless we were shooting for money. Shoot if I were after total accuracy I would reduce the load to 72-80 grains of powder and shoot great groups - but what do groups put in the freezer? Plus my added belief in the abilty of the sabot to do the job i need done every shot. I have that feeling with a MMP or at least the MMP's that I use - I have never gotten that feeling about a Harvester other than a Harvester always looks better physically than an MMP after being shot.

I have always had better accuracy with the tan MMP than the harvesters... and that is not to say there is much difference in either one for me. But you also have to remember at my age my better shooting skills have long gone by...

This an example of one of my testing trips... These sabots were collected off the ground after shooting... couple of things I can tell you.... The tan mmp's came off the bullet faster and were not as far down range as the blue harvesters. The accuracy was very close to the same, with the MMP's being just a bit tighter, but for certain the Harvesters look better after being shot than do the Harvesters...



I was looking for the velocity chart that goes along with this shoot but I can not find it right now - but as I remember the average velocity of the shots by the mmp's was 50 fps faster... what does 50fps matter? I do not think it really matters at all in the over all scheme of things.

This target was shot with a Blue MMP with 230 grain - This is about as good as I am going to do...



I guess it is all about perception and my perception is the MMP's really work well for me and I lack that faith in Harvesters, which really doesn't matter in the big picture - people are going to use what they feel best about.

So I guess really in the end it comes down to using what you are personally confident with. Me personally would hunt and shoot both without hesitation. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

You know chaded what i might should have said, that might have made more sense, is that I try to shoot the most lethal load I can with accuracy. There is not doubt that I could load down from my normal 110-120 grain loads of T7 and produce a slightly more accurate load. But then it goes back to the fact that I am not shooting a target rifle I am shooting a hunting rifle and for me to give up a 1/2"-3/4" of accuracy... I am going for better terminal performance. For that matter I probably do not even shoot the most accurate bullet made. I mostly ignore BC and shoot those big wide open cavity Bloodlines just for one reason - Terminal Performance.

Were I going to shoot the most accurate I would have to shoot something like this...



I hope you can see what/where my emphasis and goals are & more importantly it makes some sort of sense.

What sabot is better? That depends on two things which on shoots better with a given load I often try both and where you live, here in AR during the summer I am normally shooting in temperatures of 90 or 100 degrees that's when the harvesters really shine then hold up much better to the heat. When its cool often the MMP sabots shine in real cold the Harvesters are harder to load and often accuracy suffers. So take your choice or like me keep both on hand and use the one best suited to the conditions.

Lee

Exactly...

I shoot the blue crush rib in my 45 and have found that it works better than the dark tan with the blood line bullets. The light tan mmp works better with the sst in my Mountaineer 45. The black crush Rib works well with the barns 250 in My Master Hunter. The MMp 24's works good in the Master Hunter as well.

So pretty much I just need to try them all and see. I guess I kind of expected that to be the answer, I just didn't want to buy a bunch of both to find out I'm only going to use one or the other.
Thanks for the input. I do appreciate it.

Yes that's it. If you buy the 200 grain SST's or the 195 grain Barnes they will come already with the tan sabots so all you have to buy is the blue harvesters. Of course if your going to go with the xtp's you will be buying both.

By both a play. It's a good thing (and a learning experience).