Proprietary marketing and muzzleloaders.
#11
Great topic!
I try in all honesty to research before I buy! I look at things and play in my mind - What If I buy this and it breaks then what - that is a what if scenerio. What if -
Well - I have been burned a few times and hate things that require you to buy one specific item just because. AND I do understand why prodcuts are made to use only one suppliers parts - as I worked for a consumer products company for many yrs.
So I do look for things that are universal. If a muzzle loader company wants to do that - market a muzzle loader that can only use their bullets AND it may be the best thing since sliced bread - I will not purchase but do with the next best. And trust me if it is popular someone else will do the same thing - that is today's marketing in a nut shell.
That is why I use a PC and not a MAC - I got burned by Apple company long ago and never again!
Dave....JW
I try in all honesty to research before I buy! I look at things and play in my mind - What If I buy this and it breaks then what - that is a what if scenerio. What if -
Well - I have been burned a few times and hate things that require you to buy one specific item just because. AND I do understand why prodcuts are made to use only one suppliers parts - as I worked for a consumer products company for many yrs.
So I do look for things that are universal. If a muzzle loader company wants to do that - market a muzzle loader that can only use their bullets AND it may be the best thing since sliced bread - I will not purchase but do with the next best. And trust me if it is popular someone else will do the same thing - that is today's marketing in a nut shell.
That is why I use a PC and not a MAC - I got burned by Apple company long ago and never again!
Dave....JW
Last edited by JW; 02-13-2012 at 01:02 PM.
#12
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,496
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From: Yucca Valley,Ca
t if Great topic!
I try in all honesty to research before I buy! I look at things and play in my mind - WhaIf I buy this and it breaks then what - that is a what if scenerio. What if -
Well - I have been burned a few times and hate things that require you to buy one specific item just because. AND I do understand why prodcuts are made to use only one suppliers parts - as I worked for a consumer products company for many yrs.
So I do look for things that are universal. If a muzzle loader company wants to do that - market a muzzle loader that can only use their bullets AND it may be the best thing since sliced bread - I will not purchase but do with the next best. And trust me if it is popular someone else will do the same thing - that is today's marketing in a nut shell.
That is why I use a PC and not a MAC - I got burned by Apple company long ago and never again!
Dave....JW
I try in all honesty to research before I buy! I look at things and play in my mind - WhaIf I buy this and it breaks then what - that is a what if scenerio. What if -
Well - I have been burned a few times and hate things that require you to buy one specific item just because. AND I do understand why prodcuts are made to use only one suppliers parts - as I worked for a consumer products company for many yrs.
So I do look for things that are universal. If a muzzle loader company wants to do that - market a muzzle loader that can only use their bullets AND it may be the best thing since sliced bread - I will not purchase but do with the next best. And trust me if it is popular someone else will do the same thing - that is today's marketing in a nut shell.
That is why I use a PC and not a MAC - I got burned by Apple company long ago and never again!
Dave....JW
#13
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,926
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From: Saxonburg Pa
1874sharpsshooter ,
People are the problem with this as well. People are only going to read and understand what they want to. Just take all the testing i have done with the 1/20 twist. 90% of it was with Barnes and Hornady bullets. Only 10% of the testing was Lehigh. But people still think the only bullet that will work in a 1/20 is a Lehigh. Granted most understand but a few just dont and they wont. In the big picture though it doesnt matter your right. Send a pack of bullets with the ML that works and be done with it. Scary but true.
People are the problem with this as well. People are only going to read and understand what they want to. Just take all the testing i have done with the 1/20 twist. 90% of it was with Barnes and Hornady bullets. Only 10% of the testing was Lehigh. But people still think the only bullet that will work in a 1/20 is a Lehigh. Granted most understand but a few just dont and they wont. In the big picture though it doesnt matter your right. Send a pack of bullets with the ML that works and be done with it. Scary but true.
#15
Typical Buck
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 583
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From: The "empire" state-NY
Ah, a subject near & dear to my heart.
Simply: proprietary systems=increased profits.
I've seen this wave growing in the construction industry for years; everything is a system. Problem is, when the miracle system of today is replaced w/ "gen 2" and/or fails, your existing system is no longer supported and must be replaced- sometimes at great expense.
Clearly, this is true for many things today; it is the new business paradigm.
A fer' instance; I like vintage motorcycles. 3 or 4 years ago I came across a bike I'd been searching for online somewhere in Georgia. Price was a bit high but since the history was known it was worth the stretch.
Bottom line, seller would not sell it to me, non-local, because I would provide no residual income from parts sales & service in the months/years to come. This from a small shop.
My theory here is that with the current world population, read customer base, businesses truly do not need to cater to their clientele at all-revenue is done on volume. Ergo, the propietary system: why sell a ( fill in the blank ) only when you can sell every single component necessary for its use throughout it's planned limited life span?
Sad.
Simply: proprietary systems=increased profits.
I've seen this wave growing in the construction industry for years; everything is a system. Problem is, when the miracle system of today is replaced w/ "gen 2" and/or fails, your existing system is no longer supported and must be replaced- sometimes at great expense.
Clearly, this is true for many things today; it is the new business paradigm.
A fer' instance; I like vintage motorcycles. 3 or 4 years ago I came across a bike I'd been searching for online somewhere in Georgia. Price was a bit high but since the history was known it was worth the stretch.
Bottom line, seller would not sell it to me, non-local, because I would provide no residual income from parts sales & service in the months/years to come. This from a small shop.
My theory here is that with the current world population, read customer base, businesses truly do not need to cater to their clientele at all-revenue is done on volume. Ergo, the propietary system: why sell a ( fill in the blank ) only when you can sell every single component necessary for its use throughout it's planned limited life span?
Sad.
Last edited by ModernPrimitive; 02-13-2012 at 04:02 PM.



