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Old 10-29-2011 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Muley Hunter
That's what I was talking about. I have no hard feelings for S&W. I was born and brought up in Springfield Mass.

I do have to wonder if TC cared about the employees that were going to lose their jobs when they sold out. Which I understand they didn't have to, but were greedy for the money. I have no love for TC.
Old timer this statement just amazes me!the folks at T/C, spent many years building the company to what it was when they chose to sell it.calling them greedy is just wrong on your part.just consider what T/C had to deal with.foreign products built with cheap labor, flooding the market.not to mention, every time they designed something it was copied.i suppose you consider Barnes greedy also, since they sold out to Remington! i say good for Barnes and T/C, they earned it and there products are still made here to boot!!
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Old 10-29-2011 | 06:48 PM
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If it were about money TC/SW would be suing the following companies as well due to the fact they make replacement barrels for the TC brand muzzleloader. Why? Because they can offer a better barrel than whats on TC right now.
MGM
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E.AB

How many makers make new updated parts, accessories, barrels for the AR15? An unknown number of companies.
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Old 10-29-2011 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SJAdventures
Wrong.

IN-LINES
A plethora of designs for use with the new percussion principle appeared in the early 1800's. The
Swiss genius Pauley invented the paper cap, then invented a percussion muzzleloader in 1808 and
breech-loader in 1812. His 1808 patent was the first to design and patent a muzzleloading in-line action
in which the **** of the sidelock was replaced by a cylindrical hammer driven by a coil spring.


And I believe that H&R had the first inline muzzleloader actually on the market in 1972 being the H&R Huntsman in 45 and 58 caliber.
Knight made the first mass produces inline. That old thing back then was just a spec in the dust. An experimental deal.
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Old 10-29-2011 | 07:03 PM
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What I hope is that they were deliberately waiting on all these patten infringements until they had enough to put them foreign copycats out of business.
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Old 10-29-2011 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by builder459
Old timer this statement just amazes me!the folks at T/C, spent many years building the company to what it was when they chose to sell it.calling them greedy is just wrong on your part.just consider what T/C had to deal with.foreign products built with cheap labor, flooding the market.not to mention, every time they designed something it was copied.i suppose you consider Barnes greedy also, since they sold out to Remington! i say good for Barnes and T/C, they earned it and there products are still made here to boot!!
Don't forget Marlin while you're at it.
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Old 10-29-2011 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by lemoyne
What I hope is that they were deliberately waiting on all these patten infringements until they had enough to put them foreign copycats out of business.
once again. think about the support staff that is based on american soil. from the newest person in the mail room to the person in charge of day to day operations.

guess I am more open minded over imports then most.

copycats or not. wish an company to be put out of business. is wishing people losing jobs here and abroad.

sorry if I seem like I don't care about made in the usa products or if I don't care if the is an infringement lawsuit going on. but I do care if peoples jobs are on the line. that is either usa based or foreign based companies.
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Old 10-29-2011 | 09:47 PM
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I don't think that S&W or TC are the bad guys. TC was losing money and S&W subsidizes it with their plentiful assets. S&W needed to turn TC back into a profitable company again.
If there's patent infringements then those companies will probably end up paying a lump some settlement for them.
If it needs to go to court before it gets settled then it will.
And if there's a settlement offer then it will be fair to everyone or it won't be accepted and there will be a trial.
There's European countries and companies that file complaints against American companies too.
It's not like our companies are any greedier than theirs.
Time will tell which company is right and which is wrong.

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Old 10-30-2011 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
If it were about money TC/SW would be suing the following companies as well due to the fact they make replacement barrels for the TC brand muzzleloader. Why? Because they can offer a better barrel than whats on TC right now.
MGM
Pacnor
E.AB

How many makers make new updated parts, accessories, barrels for the AR15? An unknown number of companies.
If you really think that way, you need to include,Remington,Winchester,Marlin and others.there are custom barrel makers for those rifles also.custom barrel makers have been around as long as the rifles there made for.
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Old 10-30-2011 | 07:50 AM
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Jon, the best all around M/L barrel on the market presently is a GMB IMHO. they are accurate and shoot well with saboted bullets,and conicals, including full fore lead.best move Knight made was to continue using GMB barrels.
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Old 10-30-2011 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by builder459
Old timer this statement just amazes me!the folks at T/C, spent many years building the company to what it was when they chose to sell it.calling them greedy is just wrong on your part.just consider what T/C had to deal with.foreign products built with cheap labor, flooding the market.not to mention, every time they designed something it was copied.i suppose you consider Barnes greedy also, since they sold out to Remington! i say good for Barnes and T/C, they earned it and there products are still made here to boot!!
I never said they didn't work hard to build up a good company. I never said they didn't deserve to sell the company for a good price.

I said.....they had no concern for the faithful employees that worked for them to build up the company. Some of them probably working for them their whole working career. TC knew a lot of them would lose their jobs, because it was their home, and had no interest in moving to Mass.
TC just shrugged that off for profit. They chose money over loyalty. Nothing new about that. It's the American way. However, this American will never buy another TC product.

Maybe you should stop being amazed at what I say, and try and understand it out.

You'll give me a good laugh if what I said here amazes you again.
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