Don't Shoot the Messenger... TC vs CVA-Traditions
10-29-2011, 08:26 AM
#71
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Western wouldn't be involved in the suit. they were contracted by CVA, who markets it for use on there products.with all due respect, this is a legitimate suit and long over due and applies to a lot of products copied from U.S company's and made out of country with cheap labor,then shipped back assembled or to a plant here for assembly.in the end it's not CVA's fault
First off let me say that I am not a CVA supporter. Personally I do not care for their product.
BUT.
The logic you are using in your argument is convoluted.
You are stating that Western Powders is not the manufacturer. So they should not be sued. And that is true. But you also need to realize that CVA is also NOT the manufacturer. They are only a tradename. They physically make NOTHING.
So using your logic then we should go after the manufacturer?? In that I agree. But CVA IS NOT the manufacturer. They are simply the marketer.
You are right that we need to strengthen our trade laws. Both domestically and internationally. I totally agree with you there.
But I believe your anger is mis-placed here. It is not CVA who has sinned. It is whoever manufactured the prduct. In this case-Bergera-not CVA.
The real problem is that business has become so complex and so inter-twined that assigning responsibilty becomes more and more shaded every year. This is one additional reason why companies like TC and S&W have higher prices. They are stand alone independent manufacturers that have to stand behind their product. If you think for one second that CVA would stand behind Bergera if Bergera was found to be at fault?? Then you better think again. Tom.
10-29-2011, 08:44 AM
#76
Giant Nontypical
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I do have to wonder if TC cared about the employees that were going to lose their jobs when they sold out. Which I understand they didn't have to, but were greedy for the money. I have no love for TC.
10-29-2011, 05:18 PM
#77
Nontypical Buck
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Wrong.
IN-LINES
A plethora of designs for use with the new percussion principle appeared in the early 1800's. The
Swiss genius Pauley invented the paper cap, then invented a percussion muzzleloader in 1808 and
breech-loader in 1812. His 1808 patent was the first to design and patent a muzzleloading in-line action
in which the **** of the sidelock was replaced by a cylindrical hammer driven by a coil spring.
And I believe that H&R had the first inline muzzleloader actually on the market in 1972 being the H&R Huntsman in 45 and 58 caliber.
10-29-2011, 05:42 PM
#78
Boone & Crockett
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That's what I was talking about. I have no hard feelings for S&W. I was born and brought up in Springfield Mass.
I do have to wonder if TC cared about the employees that were going to lose their jobs when they sold out. Which I understand they didn't have to, but were greedy for the money. I have no love for TC.
I do have to wonder if TC cared about the employees that were going to lose their jobs when they sold out. Which I understand they didn't have to, but were greedy for the money. I have no love for TC.
S&W had the ability to block and force the sale or bankrupt the smaller TC.
Sometimes 'capitalism' can get really ugly...
Last edited by sabotloader; 10-29-2011 at 06:31 PM.
10-29-2011, 05:49 PM
#79
Typical Buck
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10-29-2011, 06:21 PM
#80
Nontypical Buck
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Tom CVA is part of the lawsuit as is Bergara. CVA and Bergara are owned by BPI inc lol. the lawsuit does not name western powders and it never will. the BP aspect of the lawsuit pertains to the original QRBP, which is made by bergara..we can debate fine points, but in the end CVA and Bergara are one in the same. owned by a corporation, that happens to have a lot of dollars, which were made possible by(well i don't need to tell you who) lol.