Don't Shoot the Messenger... TC vs CVA-Traditions
#91
A GM barrel is very good, but no better than a Bergara barrel.
#92
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There the strongest mass produced M/L barrel made and accurately shoot full bore lead extremely well. something neither T/C or Bergara's do well.so as i stated, there the best all around M/L barrel IMHO. Knight seems to have other problems, but not in the barrel department.if they ever produce a break action with a hammer and didn't look like an ugly shot gun. i would buy one in a heart beat.
#93
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This is the point that we basically disagree on. CVA is only an importer. And Bergera is strictly a manufacturer. I simply disagree that they are one in the same. IMO they are two ships that pass in the night(dramatization). CVA would buy from someone else tomorrow if another they made a less costly product for them to sell. Tom.
#94
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It seems to me, but i am not 100% positive, Toby has written about shooting 10,000 shots through his long range hunter. He experienced the same accuracy at 10,000, that he witnessed at 1000.
The past 2 years have seen me extensively testing breech plug modifications, and home made breech plugs. A way more shots have been fired by me through my Bergara Barrel, than i would have, had i only been sighting in, and hunting. Judging by how it feels to push a bullet down to the powder, the Bergara Barrel of the Accura is showing significant wear. The number of shots fired wasn't counted, so i can only guess i have fired some less than 2000 shots through this barrel.
Naturally i don't have near enough data to make a strong conclusion, but it seems to me that my Bergara Barrel is wearing considerable faster than Toby' Green Mountain Barrel. It seems to me the Bergara Barrel are 'softer' than the Green Mountain Barrel.
Unless, i am incorrect about Toby shooting 10,000 shots through his Rifle, i am forced to conclude that the Green Mountain Barrel are 'better' than Bergara Barrel.
The past 2 years have seen me extensively testing breech plug modifications, and home made breech plugs. A way more shots have been fired by me through my Bergara Barrel, than i would have, had i only been sighting in, and hunting. Judging by how it feels to push a bullet down to the powder, the Bergara Barrel of the Accura is showing significant wear. The number of shots fired wasn't counted, so i can only guess i have fired some less than 2000 shots through this barrel.
Naturally i don't have near enough data to make a strong conclusion, but it seems to me that my Bergara Barrel is wearing considerable faster than Toby' Green Mountain Barrel. It seems to me the Bergara Barrel are 'softer' than the Green Mountain Barrel.
Unless, i am incorrect about Toby shooting 10,000 shots through his Rifle, i am forced to conclude that the Green Mountain Barrel are 'better' than Bergara Barrel.
#95
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From: Yucca Valley,Ca
This is the point that we basically disagree on. CVA is only an importer. And Bergera is strictly a manufacturer. I simply disagree that they are one in the same. IMO they are two ships that pass in the night(dramatization). CVA would buy from someone else tomorrow if another they made a less costly product for them to sell. Tom.
#96
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From: Boncarbo,Colorado
over 3,000 shots in my original Accura when i sold it. No wear and no looseness. I used a lot of Thors is that which are very sensitive in barrel diameter changes and they all loaded like the day i got that Accura.
I still have over 1,400 rounds in the closet to shoot this winter and i highly doubt i'll find any wear in my old or new Optima's.
then again vent liners, knight, savage or homemade for you seem to wear out after only 100 yards while im still running my original plugs.
I still have over 1,400 rounds in the closet to shoot this winter and i highly doubt i'll find any wear in my old or new Optima's.
then again vent liners, knight, savage or homemade for you seem to wear out after only 100 yards while im still running my original plugs.
#97
It seems to me, but i am not 100% positive, Toby has written about shooting 10,000 shots through his long range hunter. He experienced the same accuracy at 10,000, that he witnessed at 1000.
The past 2 years have seen me extensively testing breech plug modifications, and home made breech plugs. A way more shots have been fired by me through my Bergara Barrel, than i would have, had i only been sighting in, and hunting. Judging by how it feels to push a bullet down to the powder, the Bergara Barrel of the Accura is showing significant wear. The number of shots fired wasn't counted, so i can only guess i have fired some less than 2000 shots through this barrel.
Naturally i don't have near enough data to make a strong conclusion, but it seems to me that my Bergara Barrel is wearing considerable faster than Toby' Green Mountain Barrel. It seems to me the Bergara Barrel are 'softer' than the Green Mountain Barrel.
Unless, i am incorrect about Toby shooting 10,000 shots through his Rifle, i am forced to conclude that the Green Mountain Barrel are 'better' than Bergara Barrel.
The past 2 years have seen me extensively testing breech plug modifications, and home made breech plugs. A way more shots have been fired by me through my Bergara Barrel, than i would have, had i only been sighting in, and hunting. Judging by how it feels to push a bullet down to the powder, the Bergara Barrel of the Accura is showing significant wear. The number of shots fired wasn't counted, so i can only guess i have fired some less than 2000 shots through this barrel.
Naturally i don't have near enough data to make a strong conclusion, but it seems to me that my Bergara Barrel is wearing considerable faster than Toby' Green Mountain Barrel. It seems to me the Bergara Barrel are 'softer' than the Green Mountain Barrel.
Unless, i am incorrect about Toby shooting 10,000 shots through his Rifle, i am forced to conclude that the Green Mountain Barrel are 'better' than Bergara Barrel.
Is your Bergara barrel less accurate now?
#98
There the strongest mass produced M/L barrel made and accurately shoot full bore lead extremely well. something neither T/C or Bergara's do well.so as i stated, there the best all around M/L barrel IMHO. Knight seems to have other problems, but not in the barrel department.if they ever produce a break action with a hammer and didn't look like an ugly shot gun. i would buy one in a heart beat.

#99
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From: Rapid City, South Dakota
I want to write that it is less accurate now, than it was when it was newish, but i don't really know for sure.
#100
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From: Yucca Valley,Ca
OMG, your back on that old Omega out of round QLA subject. you been hangin with Jon to long lol. T/C's won't shoot Thors or FPB's?. a lot of folks will tell you different.


