You know what the intention of your posting was. Please go back and govern all other posts where people post powder charges that you THINK were not pressure tested. Sorry I took a little bit of your KNIGHT and LEHIGH advertising away from the board.

Ohh where are your backers?? Please everyone that agrees with the feathered ones posting here on this subject matter please chime in. I gotta hear what others think of the experts opinion........

Cabelas or you can get them at Stockys Stocks.
http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet...umbhole/Detail

Why are you bringing Knight and Lehigh into this thread? Again follow the recommended loads by the gun manufacture period. They don't print those manuals for nothing. You started this thread so you can say all the foolish stuff you want.

I am kinda late getting in here, but just to add a correction Steve... In the Knight manual - Knight/GM do not list any specific types of powders - there are just to many of them. They make a inclusive statement... Any registered BP or BP sub powder which includes BH as it is specifically manufactured to be a BP sub in fact that is how they are able to avoid the ATF regulations pertaining to a Smokeless powder which BH certainly is. The Knight manual takes in account the best and the worst of the powders....

You are correct Don believes the Omega plug to be the best FACTORY plug on the market especially because of it short flash channel. Don believes that a breech plug should be much like a cartridge and have the powder sitting as clase to the primer as you can. Anything they can do to get better ignition on a consistent basis... consistent being the key!

I am just speaking for myself but I am not sure that saying following the manual is a problem, nor weighing vs throwing.

I guess this one refers to me... can not say that I am a backer but I think on some of Grouse's points I agree... but I am unsure of what points you are referring to.

NATO's post was actually really close to what I would call correct when it comes to TC products.

I personally think Grouse is incorrect when he says:

but even then he says "I believe" he did not indicate it to be a fact...

And all could be solved if you go to your manual... as he also suggested... amd I would add checking with TC if confirmation is needed.



This TC manual page indicates the differently than Grouse remembers. Granted they do not list T7 or BH and even a lot of other different powders.

In my converstions with TC tech department on several occasions, and other postings by other trusted forum members, TC continully says that T7 in their rifles is fine with a max loose load of 120 grains.

I have never asked them (TC directly) about BH-209 in a TC but by now I know they have tested it and the same 120 grain rule would PROBABLY apply. I know that others have and indicated so.

Just my thoughts

Mike, the point is that Grouse is saying you shouldn't weigh the charges b/c the manual doesn't say so. That's the way a simpleton thinks. He also was providing faulty load max's as it pertains to Steve's barrel, the the max is clearly much higher than the number Grouse just pulled out of his hat. As both Steve and I pointed it, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how to measure a specific BH209 volume by weight.

In short, Grouse had absolutely nothing positive to contribute to the thread.

Yes SL your late.

I thought it would end with this post.
I think I hit all your posts on this topic. Things would have went different of it was a Knight gun. You may say no but we all know the truth. You targeted an Encore is why I brought up Knight. Did I mention I thought my Pro Hunter was the best? I showed a few pics. Wow, a few liked it!!

Mike,
I commend you for trying to help your feathered friend here. His postings are absurd and irrevelent to the topic. BH209 can be measured by weight or by volume. Trying to scare someone shooting a Pro Hunter questioning his load? Since he brought up the pressure testing........the sabot is your savior, it blows first to save you. Just because you do not want to measure it that way its still acceptable. Ever see conversion tables for T7 or Pyrodex to weight? Then he throws up pressure traces or testing......I have talked to Don at Western Powders enough to know his take on things. I am one of the safest shooters out there when it comes to firearms!!!

Did you happen to read the Encore manual? I posted a link for you.

I try to stay out of your business when you post. I have did a pretty good job keeping my fingers from typing until you opened up a can of worms here. Completely absurb. You need to start your own site like Randy Wakeman. Maybe your groupies will follow you over there.

I honestly thought he said exactly that... it can be either way. And I say it is not necessary to weigh BH, which it isn't. It was engineered to be thrown into a volume measure. Will your loads be more consistent weighed? certainly but for hunting - really not necessary.

I am not sure that he was trying to scare anybody - maybe save the new guy a little money as a beginning shooter and let him work his way up to the more advanced techniques.

Personalities and the conflicts that evolve from these forums are sometimes awful, but you in your profession you would certainly no more about that than I...

I am not the best content reader in the world but I do not remember him saying your loads were unsafe... I certainly do not and I guarantee you Lee would not think 105 grains of BH in a TC would be dangerous. In my mind he was wrong about the 100 grain limit and he should go back and look at a current manual. Although it is possible that in the old days TC followed Hodgdon's 100 grain recommendations - so he might have read that along time ago.

And I would agree from what I know about you and your training - safety would always come first.

I did - in fact it is on another tab right now, but the differences between the the Pro Hunter and Omega is so slight not worth mentioning.

I do not know why you would do that... differnt opinions can be healthy as long as they are not conflicts.

Sorry! I did not mean to tread on your site or your thread - guess I was mistaken as I thought this was an open board and an open forum. Did not know I had a groupie - i always assumed people on here were open minded independent thinkers.

I can not imagine you could lead many of these guys anywhere... in my mind they are like farmers... prioud, independent, and able to make their own decisions.

I would also think on a open forum you would expect to get the good with the bad - something again I think you deal with everyday.

I should stay clear of this but I do have one comment. I was trying to figure out why Grouse seems to get into these pi$$ing matches one right after another.
I think it is comments like this "Not sure but you sound like a person that doesn't like to follow rules very well."
Now I'm not sure how posting personal comments like that can possibly add to a healthy discussion. What were we saying a while back about staying positive???

Grouse really does, on occaision, make some really off-the-wall conclusions and then actully posts it in black and white. He does seem to be one of those guys if he thinks it is black - it will be black till heck freezes over...