This is kinda disturbing...
08-07-2011, 02:14 PM
#11
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,557
I use BH209 and like it. But this would not phase me in the least. I would load up and shoot some of the real deal, black powder. I use Goex FF in my traditional guns and my guns always go bang. How about going traditional this year and have a load of fun SL?
But for inlines if you must, I would consider Pyrodex RS to be a very superior sub powder.
Now remember this is all my personal opinion.
But for inlines if you must, I would consider Pyrodex RS to be a very superior sub powder.
Now remember this is all my personal opinion.
08-07-2011, 03:06 PM
#12
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Rivesville, WV
Posts: 3,192
Guys I remember when MZ seasons started becoming popular. And were springing up all over the country.
MZ started in most states as a "Primitive Weapons" season. Not a single shot season. Not a season for rifles that only load from the bore. But actualy a "Primitive Weapon" Some places have stayed with the "Primitive Season". For example the PA FL season. But even PA has evolved a bit and allowed inlines in their early season.
What happened was the manufacturers were consistently putting pressure on lawmakers to allow more and more advances in MZ's. And those advances made the MZ more and more effective to longer and longer distances.
I remember the fight over scopes on MZ's in many states. Let alone powders that are not Black Powder. Which is the propellant used in "Primitive Weapons".
I dare any one of you to compare your new Knight rifle to a "Primitive Weapon". You guys know better than that. You know the new modern MZ's are not even comparable to "Primitive Weapons".
Personally I have both weapons. And use both where and when legal. But I have no problem with a state that wants to go with the "true nature" of MZ season. And that "true nature" is NO DOUBT "Primitive Weapons". Not a Modern Breakdown MZ with a 4.5X14 Leupold with a CDS dial and a powder that is not even basesd in black powder. Come on!! Tom.
MZ started in most states as a "Primitive Weapons" season. Not a single shot season. Not a season for rifles that only load from the bore. But actualy a "Primitive Weapon" Some places have stayed with the "Primitive Season". For example the PA FL season. But even PA has evolved a bit and allowed inlines in their early season.
What happened was the manufacturers were consistently putting pressure on lawmakers to allow more and more advances in MZ's. And those advances made the MZ more and more effective to longer and longer distances.
I remember the fight over scopes on MZ's in many states. Let alone powders that are not Black Powder. Which is the propellant used in "Primitive Weapons".
I dare any one of you to compare your new Knight rifle to a "Primitive Weapon". You guys know better than that. You know the new modern MZ's are not even comparable to "Primitive Weapons".
Personally I have both weapons. And use both where and when legal. But I have no problem with a state that wants to go with the "true nature" of MZ season. And that "true nature" is NO DOUBT "Primitive Weapons". Not a Modern Breakdown MZ with a 4.5X14 Leupold with a CDS dial and a powder that is not even basesd in black powder. Come on!! Tom.
Last edited by HEAD0001; 08-07-2011 at 03:09 PM.
08-07-2011, 03:22 PM
#13
Banned
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Boncarbo,Colorado
Posts: 9,186
Lets face it, the only reason a great deal of us shoot BH209 is mainly due to being able to shoot without having to swab the bore clean between shots. I am not a person who gives 2 cents about FPS, i shoot what is accurate and comfortable on the shoulder. Being able to reload on shots 2 and maybe 3 are highly important to being able to dispatch that animal quickly. Less stuff to carry into the field is another big plus.
08-07-2011, 03:24 PM
#14
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Upstate New York-Broome County
Posts: 597
Charlie
08-07-2011, 06:39 PM
#15
Typical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Montana
Posts: 581
Hate to admit it but yes. They are soo damn spolied and get everything first. Bear, Deer, Elk. You name it and they get first dibs. There's even been a couple deer that my family has killed and started cutting up to find a piece of the broadhead in them. I just don't like them very much. Most bowhunters that I have met are stuck up and hate rifle hunters. They get soo mad at me when I'm bear hunting in the fall. Because when I can start hunting bear is when they start elk.
08-07-2011, 06:44 PM
#16
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Hayes, Va.
Posts: 2,332
They are in New york.When an early MZ season was proposed in the southern Zone,the bow hunters went bezerk.They did not want to share a week with BP hunters(as they do in Pa) When the storm subsided,the state lengthened the Dec.MZ season to 9 days from 7. By the way,that late season is also open to bow hunters,and they got the same extension.
Charlie
Charlie
I personally don't give a schmidt about who is in the woods hunting, with whatever. But in some states these archers can get really anal about their sport.
You want to get me started, just put some dogs in the woods during big game season. Dog hunters on the most part are not very nice around here. I have yet to meet one that has any integrity!
Other then that ain't this heat a biotcha???
08-08-2011, 02:37 PM
#17
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Upstate New York-Broome County
Posts: 597
Lets face it, the only reason a great deal of us shoot BH209 is mainly due to being able to shoot without having to swab the bore clean between shots. I am not a person who gives 2 cents about FPS, i shoot what is accurate and comfortable on the shoulder. Being able to reload on shots 2 and maybe 3 are highly important to being able to dispatch that animal quickly. Less stuff to carry into the field is another big plus.
Charlie
08-08-2011, 04:28 PM
#18
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,557
We don't have that problem here in Virginia. Oct 1 starts archery season and it runs for five weeks. Then the next two weeks is MZ season, then the rest is gun season till the first week of Jan. An archer can hunt with his bow all season if he wants.
I personally don't give a schmidt about who is in the woods hunting, with whatever. But in some states these archers can get really anal about their sport.
You want to get me started, just put some dogs in the woods during big game season. Dog hunters on the most part are not very nice around here. I have yet to meet one that has any integrity!
Other then that ain't this heat a biotcha???
I personally don't give a schmidt about who is in the woods hunting, with whatever. But in some states these archers can get really anal about their sport.
You want to get me started, just put some dogs in the woods during big game season. Dog hunters on the most part are not very nice around here. I have yet to meet one that has any integrity!
Other then that ain't this heat a biotcha???
08-08-2011, 04:39 PM
#20
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,557
Hunting for rabbits with a beagle was the first kind of hunting I did with my dad. I was 8 years old, and I loved it. I can still hear that dog when I think about it. Good times when you're 8 years old.