Knight Rifles does it first.
04-06-2011, 06:52 PM
#141
Nontypical Buck
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They are not a reliable or safe way to make a vent-liner. You have nothing to protect it from heat or fire. And you cant even harden that material. The stock savage vent-liners are a much better way to go.
The reason why i say stuff is because what you do is wrong. As long as the people no and choose to use your stuff i could care less. The information has been provided and people can check and do what they choose.
You clearly don't worry about safety. And i no your not going to change. So don't keep asking why it's not safe. In comparison to others it is not and never will be period.
The reason why i say stuff is because what you do is wrong. As long as the people no and choose to use your stuff i could care less. The information has been provided and people can check and do what they choose.
You clearly don't worry about safety. And i no your not going to change. So don't keep asking why it's not safe. In comparison to others it is not and never will be period.
Do you think that by using bold print and large type, you can change false information into true information?!? It doesn't work that way.
You are the one that wrote that the steel used in these ventliners is rated for 80,000 psi. This means to me, that these stainless ventliners are a way stronger than a normal muzzle loader barrel, and in fact, would be able to withstand the pressure of a smokeless magnum cartridge. I fail to understand why you then continue to write, they are unsafe, when in reality, they are a way stronger than the pressures that occur, in a muzzle loader at ignition.
04-07-2011, 02:57 AM
#143
Nontypical Buck
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04-07-2011, 03:35 AM
#144
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Stainless steel is naturally resistant to corrosion, hence the name 'stainless'. What this means is, nothing needs to be done to protect it from heat and fire; stainless is made to resist fire i.e. oxidation. You keep repeating that these screws can't be hardened. So, i guess i will repeat, in my opinion you, yourself, couldn't drill a hole through one of these screws in a week's time, because they are naturally hard, and do not need to be 'hardened'. If you had any real world experience working stainless, you would never say that 18-8 steel is 'soft'.
Do you think that by using bold print and large type, you can change false information into true information?!? It doesn't work that way.
You are the one that wrote that the steel used in these ventliners is rated for 80,000 psi. This means to me, that these stainless ventliners are a way stronger than a normal muzzle loader barrel, and in fact, would be able to withstand the pressure of a smokeless magnum cartridge. I fail to understand why you then continue to write, they are unsafe, when in reality, they are a way stronger than the pressures that occur, in a muzzle loader at ignition.
Do you think that by using bold print and large type, you can change false information into true information?!? It doesn't work that way.
You are the one that wrote that the steel used in these ventliners is rated for 80,000 psi. This means to me, that these stainless ventliners are a way stronger than a normal muzzle loader barrel, and in fact, would be able to withstand the pressure of a smokeless magnum cartridge. I fail to understand why you then continue to write, they are unsafe, when in reality, they are a way stronger than the pressures that occur, in a muzzle loader at ignition.
18-8 in comparison to what is available is soft and week. If you or any other person thinks thats safe enough have fun and enjoy. I would spend $3.00 bucks and use a much safer vent-liner from savage.
If you think for one minute i would drill out vent-liners and brake bits like you claim for a $5.00 vent-liner that i have not worn out yet, your crazy.
I have talked to Lehigh about the metals mentioned, i also talked to a company in china, and also got info from a company in the U.S. In comparison to whats available 18-8 is week and soft.
If you want to sale a bunch of vent-liners and run around and say how good they are. Just buy some grade 8 screws and have fun.
04-07-2011, 07:06 AM
#146
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04-07-2011, 07:13 AM
#147
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And it really doesn't take an idiot - you wuld be surprised how many vets have done it on occasions.
04-07-2011, 07:21 AM
#148
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Well, it has been done more than most would ever think about... especially the doulble loading. Not many talk about it but even some of the best can relate an episode... if you do any any shooting at all.
And it really doesn't take an idiot - you wuld be surprised how many vets have done it on occasions.
And it really doesn't take an idiot - you wuld be surprised how many vets have done it on occasions.
If someone screws up and double loads their gun and it has problems. Who's fault is that?
04-07-2011, 07:23 AM
#149
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You take a centerfire rifle for example. I myself do not know how i could ever double load one. I'm sure someone will say it's very easy to. I have no clue how to do it by accident.
My point is, a Muzzleloader that can happen very easily. That's why i think it's even more important to have quality parts and quality guns that have been tested and proven reliable and safe.
So for me it would not be ok.
04-07-2011, 07:25 AM
#150
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We all can make mistakes very easily. Even though the mistakes we make are stupid.
You take a centerfire rifle for example. I myself do not know how i could ever double load one. I'm sure someone will say it's very easy to. I have no clue how to do it by accident.
My point is, a Muzzleloader that can happen very easily. That's why i think it's even more important to have quality parts and quality guns that have been tested and proven reliable and safe.
So for me it would not be ok.
You take a centerfire rifle for example. I myself do not know how i could ever double load one. I'm sure someone will say it's very easy to. I have no clue how to do it by accident.
My point is, a Muzzleloader that can happen very easily. That's why i think it's even more important to have quality parts and quality guns that have been tested and proven reliable and safe.
So for me it would not be ok.