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Old 03-08-2011 | 05:18 AM
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The best solution to crud ring is not using the substandard powder that causes it.
I fail to understand why people keep using it when there are powders available that do not cause it then, complain about it.
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Old 03-08-2011 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by lemoyne
The best solution to crud ring is not using the substandard powder that causes it.
I fail to understand why people keep using it when there are powders available that do not cause it then, complain about it.
I know triple 7 is famous for the so-called crud ring but I wouldn't call it a substandard powder. I don't get the crud ring that everybody talks about but even if I did I would still use it because of the performance I get from 777. It is a great powder and not substandard by any means
 
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Old 03-08-2011 | 06:14 AM
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It is compared to BH 209.

I'll put T7 second on the list.
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Old 03-08-2011 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Muley Hunter
It is compared to BH 209.

I'll put T7 second on the list.
Not really. I like Blackhorn. But for some having to drill out the hard carbon in the breechplug might be considered as bad as the crud ring. Having to have a certain breechplug design and hot enough primers,as well as cost might cause some to conclude that Blackhorn is substandard. Just depends on the individual.Not only that but I can shoot 777 in every gun I own including my Sidelocks and Blackhorn only in a select few.
Right now Blackhorn is second on my list and 777 is back in first place.

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Old 03-08-2011 | 06:41 AM
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My BP works perfect with BH 209. Cleaning out the BP happens just as bad with T7, because it's caused from the primer. Not the powder.

You might say you don't get a crud ring from T7. That makes you the only one in the world. T7 even has it's own primer to help the crud ring. Which doesn't really work.

Too many years of swabbing between shots to use anything but BH 209 for me.

Price is a moot point for a hunter.

I shoot nothing but real black in sideloacks. As it should be.
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Old 03-08-2011 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by lemoyne
The best solution to crud ring is not using the substandard powder that causes it.
I fail to understand why people keep using it when there are powders available that do not cause it then, complain about it.
Lee, I do not understand why you would label all the other powders 'substandard'. By whos standard are they 'substandard'.
Swiss is a potent powder if you are talking about power as well as the T7 powders. Lots of folks use and like the Pyro's. And there still is a large group of people that can not shoot BH.

Further your complaint about the 'crud ring' you get is not the same 'crud ring' that others get. And when you get down to it, the while T7 can work up a 'crud ring' in the bore, BH works its own 'crud ring' it just moves from the bore to the inside the breech plug. I can get the ring with a damp patch you and others usually use a drill bit inserted in the BP.

Use what you trust and what works for you! One of the things that sets man apart is the ability to 'adapt' and basically we learn to adapt to everything. You and others have adapted to BH, I have shot a good deal of it but I still prefer T7.
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Old 03-08-2011 | 09:00 AM
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777 sucks up moisture and goes bad. Leaves a crud ring, runs the same price as BH209 in my area.

I'll shoot the blackhorn
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Old 03-08-2011 | 09:06 AM
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777 sucks up moisture and goes bad.
Never had either of those things happen myself.
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Old 03-08-2011 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
777 sucks up moisture and goes bad. Leaves a crud ring, runs the same price as BH209 in my area.

I'll shoot the blackhorn
As I have said Bh leaves a 'crud ring' also - it is just inside the breech plug... even you know that one.

Only if you leave the lid off for an extended time... I am shooting T7 that bought 4 years ago. and if you would do some of your famous reading you would find that T7 is encased in a film that helps reduce moisture absorbtion.

May be close to the same price where you are but it is also minus 6 onces of powder. Here the price remains $21 for 16 ounces vs $30 for 10.

Over time that adds up to a decent chunk of change... you ought to do the math sometime...
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Old 03-08-2011 | 09:49 AM
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I still have not had a chance to use my BH209 yet. i have always used 777 in my in lines. i will say that i soak my BP with 777 and spend quite a bit of time with a small pipe type cleaner making sure it is clean. i "DO NOT" like the crud ring created by using 777 at all. it is very time consuming and a pain in the @$$. then there is the second shot scenario,that can possibly come into play. when using 777 i just can't see having the time or items available for one.as far as moisture i haven't experienced that problem.i also do not consider 777 to be a substandard powder. then there is the cost difference, which can be substantial to someone who is constantly shooting there rifles. the decision to use any of the various BP sub products is a personal one. Ray
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