Because I have to buy it, it does not come to my door gift wrapped.

mine doesnt come gift wrapped either! LOL

I shoot two cases (50lbs) of Goex a year, but that's $14 lb.

BH 209 will be just for hunting. Lucky if I burn 2lbs a year. More like 1lb if I don't experiment with loads/scopes.



When you figure out the difference in price between T7 and BH. Don't forget to figure the truck load of patches you use to keep the crud ring out of the barrel.

Well you are a little off base here. I use one or two patches each range session you just use the same patch over and over. No real need to use clean patches each time you shoot. i am not sure why you would use a new patch each shot, it is certainly not needed.

Hunting - if your bore is treated correctly you should be able to 5 or 6 shots before it would become necessary to run a damp patch.

Often, I have found what you might use in the bore and the combination of the heat of ignition of the powder combines to create the 'crud ring' If you were to use a synthetic oil - free of teflon such as Slip 2000 or Montana X-Treme - you can reduce the effects of the 'crud ring' greatly. Also if you were to use the coolest primers available like Win T7 or the Remington ML primer the 'crud ring' is greatly reduced.

T7 has a learning curve - once you learn it is really a decent powder. Not to say that BH is not a great powder and has it benefits but there is also a learning curve with it.

Mr. Blackhorn and I get along perfectly. We hang out quite frequently. Mr. Triple 7 and I use to fight constantly. I never want to meet Mr. Triple 7 again. He is nothing but a crud to me!

That's OK... just makes that much more T7 for me, hopefully the lack of sales will encourage the price to go down.

I have a case of BH on the shelf and just can not find the need to shoot it other than testing.

sabot............. I'm sorry, but I can't agree. I've burned a lot of T7. I was making a joke abut a truck load of patches, but there's no way in the world I could reuse a spit patch after running it down the bore of T7. I run it down on both sides, and they are caked with fouling. Sometimes it takes two to get the crud ring out. In which case i'll run a dry patch too.
I always use ML primers with T7. It only helps a little. They came out to keep the charge from moving. Not really to get rid of the crud ring. I can't count the times i've gotten the patch stuck in the crud ring trying to clean it out. It also has a habit of gumming up the breech plug threads.

I will never use it again. I see no reason to use it anymore. BH 209 is the perfect powder for inlines. An inline to me is a hunting gun. I put it in the same category as a centerfire rifle. Cost of the load is immaterial.

Now, for fun and blowing smoke. I shoot the Renegade and Hawken. For CAS I shoot two 1860 Colt C&B revolvers, 1866 Winchester 44-40, and double barrel coach 12 ga shotgun. All with real BP.

Cheap shooting is real BP and a PRB. Especially if you cast your own balls and buy BP in volume.

There's nothing cheap about shooting inlines. They become cheap to shoot if you just hunt with them. No idea how FG shoots his inlines so much? He must have won the lottery.

Muley Hunter

No problems here at all. I would hate think we would have to do the same thing to be right... if so according to one I would need to shoot a CVA.

Heck differences occur all the time.. makes the world go around.

Just do not think we should brash any products just because we do not like it... that is why we have choices... not saying you were bashing T7 either.

I just wish it were possible to show you how trouble free T7 really can be when things are working right.

Heck, I would shoot BH also if the price were right, I am on a fixed income that is going down and prices are going up. I really need to look at the economics of things, especially to be able to shoot when and how much I want to. I just hope I do not ever have to go to that price. I might as well go back to reloading centerfire and shooting those again.

Have fun shooting - i know I do...

mike

I can relate Mike. My main income is SS. I make some money on the side tying flies for a shop. Bores me to death, but I can use the extra money.

I'm actually upset with the price of BH. I think it's a ripoff. I can only justify it by using it for hunting only. I only have 2lbs. My plan is to use 1lb to sort out the gun and loads, and use the 2nd lb to hunt with. Which I hope is a few years. 60 shots is a lot of hunting.

I'm even thinking of quiting CAS. It's really expensive to shoot. It's fun, but I could use the money I spend on it for more hunting gear. All my stuff is getting old.
I need some more modern camo clothing, optics etc.

Anyway, whatever you do. Have fun.

Muley Hunter

How far from the nearest Cabellas are you? It will go on sale there again for $20 when it does I will let you know if you can get to one. I think I will get a head start notice from a friend.

The price of gasoline is going to kill us, hopefully only for a short while - but if it goes throught the summer I am in real trouble.

I usually go back the work for the Forest Service in the summer, some way they think that I have a lot of experiance and think I am a good hire but their budgets are so slashed this year I do not think that will happen, so I might have to fall back on carpentry or cabinet building in my shop for some supplemental income.

I forget the IMR number at the moment but they make a smokeless powder just like BH, hollow grains of powder, and it sales for $21 a POUND... so the structural manufacturing process is not the reason for the cost. General Dymanics of Canada makes the powder. IIRC IMR/Hodgdon was going to make it but they turned it down and General Dynamics picked it up.