triple se7en i shot the 240 or 245 gr. qt' s (can' t remember exactly) precision bullets in my .45 cal mk-85 stalker knight with 88 grains of p powder and they shot one hole accuracy but were a b _ _ ch to get down the barrel. Switch to the 350 grain white shooting stars and they shot one hole accuracy to but I will agree with you and them not really recommending them for knights. I think that just depends on the individual gun since most ml are not the same size even from the same manufacture. But bigcountry if want more ump go with whites or gonics as they' re made to shoot heavy bullets plus I know gonic recommends big powder charges so it will cause the bullet to fill the lands which promotes accuracy but be so sure to get a MUZZLEBREAK!!! I' ve had my eye cut more than one from the gonic

Despite the results that people claim to get with them, I cannot believe a pistol bullet in a sabot is particulary suited for harvesting as large animals as a good heavy conical will. These little pills don' t have the required sectional density to penetrate well, nor do they have the BC to retain their initial high velocities. If you look at the BC of such pills, you' ll see they aren' t much better than a round ball of full bore size!! [&:]