Pro Hunter and Blackhorn 209
01-02-2011, 07:35 PM
#1
Fork Horn
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Chillicothe, Ohio
Posts: 127
Pro Hunter and Blackhorn 209
Took the T/C out today with some BH 209, and I have to say that it did not impress me at all. Yes, it was much cleaner and doesn't stink like Pyrodex, but I don't really see a huge advantage. I shot Barnes 250 grain EZs and 200 grain shockwaves with everything from 100 to 120 grain loads and neither bullet would group too well. Maybe it is just me, but I don't mind swabbing between shots. Also, I don't believe that it cleaned up any easier than Pyrodex. Don't get me wrong, I am not bashing BH 209, I just don't see what all of the hype is about. I feel the marketing is better than the product.
I am open to any suggestions for what I may be overlooking or another method or bullet to try. Who knows, the issue I am having may be the gun itself. It is a huge pain in the neck to get a sabot down the barrel.
I am open to any suggestions for what I may be overlooking or another method or bullet to try. Who knows, the issue I am having may be the gun itself. It is a huge pain in the neck to get a sabot down the barrel.
01-02-2011, 07:39 PM
#2
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Idaho
Posts: 11,703
Michael396
Have you polished the barrel with JB's bore? I know that is one of the first things I do with every new bore I get....
Who knows, the issue I am having may be the gun itself. It is a huge pain in the neck to get a sabot down the barrel.
01-02-2011, 07:48 PM
#3
Fork Horn
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Chillicothe, Ohio
Posts: 127
No, I can't find it at any local places and I am a little bit intimidated and don't want to mess up my barrel. I am going to look online for it and give it a try though. My wife's accura puts my pro hunter to shame.
01-02-2011, 08:01 PM
#4
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: River Ridge, LA (Suburb of New Orleans)
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Hey Michael, welcome to the "I can live without Blackhorn" club. 
We're a small group (and growing smaller it seems). But DANG IT, we're comfortable with our backwards ways and narrow minded prejudices.
We're a small group (and growing smaller it seems). But DANG IT, we're comfortable with our backwards ways and narrow minded prejudices.
01-03-2011, 03:39 AM
#7
Typical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Virginia
Posts: 542
But in my Knight, the bullets will touch at 100 yards. I haven't gotten that tight of pattern out of my Encore yet.
01-03-2011, 06:31 AM
#8
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 6,585
Michael396
Regardless of the powder a sabot load that is to tight or to loose does not usually shoot well.
As far as the BH is concerned it is not for everybody and Pyrodex is definitely a good powder, i use it in all my traditional and have for all the years since it came out.
Pay attention to Sabotloader's post it may improve your situation; get the JB bore paste put it on some good ticking patches and polish that barrel. [It only polishes it does not cut] give the barrel a hundred full length strokes and scrub the barrel clean it will help.
BH shows improved performance with heavy bullets it is a progressive burning powder and requires a certain amount of pressure to get maximum performance to give best results.
The biggest actual benefits are gotten by people who understand smokeless powder and by people who do not want to fight crud ring or swab between shots.
I like it and use it in my inlines, I like pyrodex in my traditionals, I tried 777 and BH in them and consider it not to smart to have to fool with wads while hunting in order to be able to use a particular powder in a particular gun. One of the reasons I like BH is because I do not need to carry cleaning or swabbing stuff while hunting.
We have deer ]3 to 5 tags] bear and unlimited boar and sometimes turkey open at the same time during muzzleloading season; I have several times needed to shoot several times with out much fooling around and on a drive who knows.
Regardless of the powder a sabot load that is to tight or to loose does not usually shoot well.
As far as the BH is concerned it is not for everybody and Pyrodex is definitely a good powder, i use it in all my traditional and have for all the years since it came out.
Pay attention to Sabotloader's post it may improve your situation; get the JB bore paste put it on some good ticking patches and polish that barrel. [It only polishes it does not cut] give the barrel a hundred full length strokes and scrub the barrel clean it will help.
BH shows improved performance with heavy bullets it is a progressive burning powder and requires a certain amount of pressure to get maximum performance to give best results.
The biggest actual benefits are gotten by people who understand smokeless powder and by people who do not want to fight crud ring or swab between shots.
I like it and use it in my inlines, I like pyrodex in my traditionals, I tried 777 and BH in them and consider it not to smart to have to fool with wads while hunting in order to be able to use a particular powder in a particular gun. One of the reasons I like BH is because I do not need to carry cleaning or swabbing stuff while hunting.
We have deer ]3 to 5 tags] bear and unlimited boar and sometimes turkey open at the same time during muzzleloading season; I have several times needed to shoot several times with out much fooling around and on a drive who knows.
01-03-2011, 07:24 AM
#9
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Idaho
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Michael396
You can PM Cayugad and ask him for his insrtuctions for using JB's - he would gladly share them.
It is pretty much impossible to hurt anything with JB's Non-Embedding bore paste...
Here is what i do...
You can PM Cayugad and ask him for his insrtuctions for using JB's - he would gladly share them.
It is pretty much impossible to hurt anything with JB's Non-Embedding bore paste...
Here is what i do...
When you ran your JB paste in your bore - did you just oil a patch and coat with paste and run it with your jag?
Yes, you might have to double your patch to get a tight fit. But I ran an oiled patch with JB's smeared on the sides...ran that side 25 strokes top to bottom (important) then flip the patch over and run another 25 strokes. Did this 4 times then clean up the bore and see what you might have accomplished... On my Triumph I think I ran this operation twice.
Hope this helps
mike
Yes, you might have to double your patch to get a tight fit. But I ran an oiled patch with JB's smeared on the sides...ran that side 25 strokes top to bottom (important) then flip the patch over and run another 25 strokes. Did this 4 times then clean up the bore and see what you might have accomplished... On my Triumph I think I ran this operation twice.
Hope this helps
mike
01-03-2011, 07:27 AM
#10
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Yucca Valley,Ca
Posts: 2,496
Sabot loader and Lee have given you excellent advice.is this a new muzzle loader? if so did you get all of the crud T/C puts in there new barrels? it's tuff to get out lol.if your having a hard time loading the TEZ sabot and bullet, you definately need to use the JB paste.those TEZ bullets are usually tack drivers in T/C rifles. have fun Ray