The Foreign Countries Have to Compete with the USA, and thus doiung so have to make a Product that is Better and also Cheaper to assemble so we will Purchase them. I also LOVE the American Made Products. But when one makes one better elsewhere for a much cheaper price, guess who Wins.
Also American Made has Changed over the Years, Years ago Americans put there Heart and Soul into what they Made, they were Proud to make it. now there more worried about How Much Money they make, or what benefits there intitled to than what the finished product is like.
I could bet Many on here Own Forign Cars and Trucks, but Boast about there American Made MLer and how it's the Best because it's made in USA.
Again I would Buy ONLY American as I hate to make the Lesser Countries Economy better than our's. But untill the Almight Dollar has less of a effect on our Workers than the Product they make I'll buy and use what's best for me.
ALL of our Homes are FULL of Forigne Products, untill we ALL have ALL American Made in ALL of our Homes, then none of us should say one is better than the other.
But I'll still stick with My FORD's, there at least Trying to be the Best and be True American with a Great American Made Product, No Bailout's!
(BP)

You pull the 'Heater' or other parts off of that 'FORD' and you will see made in Canada on them lol.

LOL funny part is, If you take a look at my 92 isuzu rodeo, All engine parts are marked GM and the electroics along with parts are stamped, Made in USA

Oh NO, Not You Again! Yea your right though, but I'd rather have Made In Canada on them then Made in China. Other than that, you win. Yea FORD has Assembly Plants in Canada but Not in MEXICO like CHEVY's going to Build.
(BP)

I recently bought a new truck. Looked at Fords and according to the sticker it was made with only 50% American and Canadian parts. The "foreign" truck I bought had 70%. Made in America does not mean the samething it did back in 1980. At least not to me. MY 2 cents.

Much has changed in the hunting world over the last 40 or 50 years. Hunting seasons have become broader from Deer, duck, small game ---> spring turkey, spring goose, Archery deer, duck, small game, muzzleloader, deer, late archery, late muzzleloader, etc.

I contend that while the percentage of disposable income devoted to hunting gear the average participant spends hasn't changed all that much, the spectrum of discipline specific gear has exploded! No-tox shot for waterfowl, special turkey guns, and inline muzzleloaders didn't exist even 30 years ago... On top of all that, add in the gear from deer calls to the 30 different camo patterns to laser rangefinders and now hunting crossbows, that didn't exist in 1980 when I started hunting.

I mention this because it's important to understand where in the outdoor spectrum muzzleloaders exist. I put forth the "average" (-1 to +1 SD) hunter buys his muzzleloader simply as an instrument to tag a deer a week or two before rifle season. He's not a gun crank( like most here) per se, (s)he is just after another crack at the deer (often before general firearms season). When taken in total, he's looking to spend less(% of income) on a gun than ever before. Where he might have paid 2 weeks wages for a model 700 "deer rifle", scope, and mounts in 1980, he now has less than 2 days wages in his MLer.

Given the above, The bulk of the market has become the low to middle price muzzleloaders. It is similar to 1987 when, if you were fiscally challenged, but wanted a new car, you could buy a brand new Hyundai excel for $2999, lower price imports always flood the shallow end of the pool. Thankfully, advances in technology, have made the shallow end less murky (no more CVA pipe bombs). I bet Traditions and CVA sell 10 $149 blister pack, pellet eater guns to every one $400 rifle that they, T/C, or Knight sells.

However, when you get to $400 rifles, the "value advantage" that the imports enjoy in the $149 slot, disappears.

YMMV

I like American made muzzleloaders best. I have bought and sold a fair number of them and the guns that stay are always American made. Tc, Knight, White appeal to me, they always seem to shoot well and are nice looking. I have only two tc's, a renegade and a scout but I can't think of a single cva that I would trade either one of them for.

Frontier nailed it. Just watch the shows magazines etc, TC has to pay Shockey some how. Now grated CVA is following suit and they are plastered everywhere as well. I shoot Traditions and their quality has come a long way, most of their guns are equavilent to TC and CVA prices. It seems all (TC, CVA, and Traditions) companies have realized the importance of better barrels and quality. CVA, Traditions etc seem to be chasing TC, Knight in quality. They all offer models in some form of a better barrel and nicly fit stocks, triggers etc., which is a big change, old CVA, old Traditions did not have this luxury. It is just my opinion but price will always be the reason one buys a gun. If I have the cash for a gun I want now and 2 new guns are offered having both a well built barrel and are built solid I'd take what I could afford which for me would be the cheaper. We all have our spending means and by no way would I ever bash anyone who shoots a less expensive gun than I have. I do not shoot the expensive guns some of you can afford. It really does not matter what you shoot as long as you take game ethically on a consistent basis and have fun shooting. Keep in mind both CVA and Traditions do employ Americans as well as TC and Knight. With so many different shooters and companies it is downright crazy to pick just one gun, that is why we all have several What a great time to be a blackpowder muzzy junkie. Enjoy whatever you shoot fellas and enjoy that we are free to do such.

I was at an gunshop, trying to say out of trouble, (not buying anything). looked at the cva stuff (not guns). looked at 6. 1 powder flask made in taiwan or india, 1 was an old product before the "made in" was inforced. 4 items had the american flag waving in the corner.

note all the tc items had that as well.

Being in a gun shop to stay out of trouble, man gunshops are nothing but trouble, I always say I am not going to buy a gun but look around, one always finds it way home.