The only point I was trying to make is that it is not "their product", CVA that is. They did not produce anything-they merely imported a product. That is what I have a problem with.

I am not a pro TC person. Some of you guys actually know that I am a Knight rifle person. I much prefer the Knight's over any of them. Either TC or CVA.

The real problem CVA has is one of the same problems Savage rifles has. Once a person gets a bad taste in their mouth they are unlikely to try it again. And Savage and CVA sold junk for so long that alot of guys are just afraid to give them another try. And since CVA really has no skin in the game because they have no mfr. costs-that alows them to always put profit ahead of quality. Just my opinion.

Mountain Devil I read alot of what you write. And I know you really like CVA. Personally I do not know who you are. But I really do believe that somehow you have some "skin in the game" when it comes to CVA. Tom.

corey012778

So Corey what if CVA would build those rifles here in the States using our materials and our labor to make the materials or labor to build the rifles and still use the same distribution network. Can you see how that might increase the jobs in the US.

All of this would create more US jobs, but then CVA probably would not be able to under-cut other manufactures they way they can now. Everybody might be on equal footing...

Imagine that...

I have spent my entire life in sales. Only real job(except in college) I ever had. I sold alot of products, many of them foreign. Including a whole bunch of CVA products.

Maybe I just saw the light. I do not know. All I know is I look at how much money we owe China and other countries with our national debt. And maybe I had an epiphany. I do not know what it is, but I committed myself to only buying US products whenever I can from now on. Call me naive-I don't care. But that is how I am going to guide all my purchases from here on out. I may be a little late to this game, but I have arrived now.

Mountain Devil I am not trying to defend the cheap Omega stocks either. Personally I think all the mfrs. are putting out crap with their so called "synthetic stocks". I much prefer laminate or Walnut. None of that crap synthetic for me. Tom.

i too wish for a better quality Syn. stock. But everyone these days wants a light rifle so, theres only so much you can do. I dont think fiberglass would be lighter.

yes I see your point but with all the american know how. you think tc could produce high quantity products at more reasonable prices. those of us, who are on tight budgets can't see paying what TC wants for most of there products.

remember what some see as reasonable defers from what others see as reasonable.

two reasons I did not bring knight into this, one knight is not back on the market yet, two I like knight too.

corey012778

You are absolutely correct, but because of our standard of living in the US - the production of materials cost more as well as the building. The biggest part of this is this cost in labor in the US.

But, then again if were are willing to lower the cost of living we could make things less expensively. Think you might get the unions to go along with that. Now think about this - if all or a good portion if your money is going across the water to a foreign country instead of being spent here, wages here would have to be increased again to make up for that short fall to maintain the cost of living.

It is a very bad spiral and I do not think we will ever get out of it. I think the current dollar is worth less than 60 cents today. Remember when a dollar would get you something.. In 71 when I bough this house it was worth $25,000 today and the house has not changed that much except for getting a lot older it is worth $130,000. It really is worth no more today than it was then - it is just the dollar is that much more worthless - why because we keep sending money across the water and barrowing to make ends meet.

American quality has suffered in the same way... to be able to meet foreign goods price we have to lower the quality of the gods we produce.

Again it is a terrible circle... eventually I expect CVA to run all american ML's out of the market except for specialized low end ML and High end select ML's

Actaully I expect a lot of American products to disapper in favor of foreign goods - along with the jobs that it took to produce American goods.

More and more middle class Americans will be in the unemployed market and struggling to make ends meet.... In America the rich get richer and the rest of go down the tubes...

What it comes down to are you willing to work for $1 and hour and that may generous...

who knows, sabotloader, I think the whole S&W brand is a little high. guess I am cheap, and think the made in America may add a few extra bucks alone. no overseas transporting fees, and no time to clear customs. time is money in any business.


to tell the truth, I like TC's accessories. 95% of my loading tips, powder measures, powder spouts, and ram rods are tc.

I am not two faced. I just think the rifle prices are little high.
I am cheap on center fire rifle and pistols too.

corey012778

Did you see that Cabelas has Omega Z5's on sale for $249

only been looking in the traditional area looking for kits for an friend of mine.

when I go looking for something new for me, hope they have good deals

I think I am leaning to the knight roll block (or back as I miss type it) I found at an farm store for $264.

I shoot a TC Pro Hunter and it is as fine of a gun as I have ever shot.