Ok i just baught some of this powder and after reading the container i have a few concerns.... Can i still use my winchester 209 primers they are the ones actually for magnum powders?....... also can i still use my bore butter and my TC cleaners? Do i really have to use their cleaner because i have never seen it anywhere before. I shoot a TC Omega with 300 gr TC shockwaves does any body have any feedback with this combo? Also has anyone shot this powder out of a Traditions Pursuit XLT?

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BH209 is what i use in my Omega. I also use the regular Winchester W209 primers. The primers made for shotguns. I shoot about 105g of BH209 powder. I have shot those 300g shockwaves before, but no longer do. They were accurate. My Omega has been 100% reliable using these components in all kinda weather, including sub-zero temperatures.

I recommend strongly that you do not use solvents or lubricants with BH209 that are intended for black powder, or other black powder substitutes. You should use solvents and lubricants intended for center fire rifles. Hoppes 209 works as a solvent, and there are many others that will also. If you use traditional black powder solvents and lubes with BH209, you will probably be sad, because of rusting issues.

You will also need to remove the carbon in the breech plug fire channel with a 1/8" drill spun by hand. I spin mine with a worn out chuck i removed from a drill motor and saved for some forgotten reason.

I forgot to mention that soaking the breech plug in the windex that contains vinegar, really really cuts the carbon, and makes the chore of cleaning the breech plug a trivial matter. I once made the mistake of using this high powered windex in my barrel, and never will again, because of rusting issues

I use 120 gr of Blackhorn in my Omega along with Winchester 209 primers. I kept my gun loaded throughout a 4 day cold weather hunt and kept it in the truck at night to avoid condensation from being cold then hot. At the end of the 4th day, I shot it in the ground to unload it and had a hang fire. If I would have shot at a buck, I believe I would have missed.

Looks like I need to try a hotter primer or only go a couple of days and then discharge - or both.

Thanks guys hey one more question can i use the Winchester 209 triple seven primers with this powder? Also why use the drill bit and not just use a brush once u soak it? I guess im just leary of using a drill bit in the breach plug u would think that would scratch it and then it would start to pit.

A 1/8" drill bit should be the correct size for your omega. It removes all the carbon that builds up from the primers. I think you will be surprised just how much is still inside the flame channel after a typical cleaning. I read a post about the drill bit trick, and was amazed at how much material was left behind after my cleaning regiment. Most are having very good results with the Fed 209a and the CCI209m primers. They are hotter and ignite the BH more consistently. The cci's have worked well for me.

777 primers were designed to be used with 777 powder. They seem to reduce the 'crud ring' some. They are not intended to be used with BH209, and shouldn't be.

You can clean your breech plug any way you wish. Just be aware that the flash hole will carbon with 'hard' carbon that almost seems like it is the breech plug it is so hard. The flash hole will close down to a much smaller size because of this. Be aware that a hole with a 1/16" diameter has just 1/4 the area of a 1/8" diameter hole which is what the breech plug starts out with. Most spin their 1/8" drill manually so as to avoid the 'scratching' you are concerned with. Myself, sometimes, i spin my drill with a cordless drill motor cuz it is easier. Does it cause the hole to carbon quicker? Perhaps. I don't really know or care. My Omega is 100% reliable for more than 20 shots during trips to the range or during hunting season, and when the fire hole gets too plugged with carbon, it tells me, by spewing excessive blow back.

Whilst shooting BH209, the breech plug fouling is really the only issue one needs to concern one's self with. Barrel fouling is a non-issue; myself, i have never reached a point where i couldn't load my Omega, because the barrel was too fouled. Loading doesn't get any more difficult after some 30 or 40 shots; it is conceivable one could go a hundreds or more shots without cleaning the barrel. Just don't clean your barrel with traditional black powder solvents! There have been instances where folk have experienced rusting after using BH209. It is my opinion that it was mostly caused by using the wrong solvents, and/or lubricants. It seems the jury is still out on this issue.

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I have a Knight Vision and I had some problems with using the BH209 powder. I was getting my primers to go off, but no ignition.

I contacted the company for the BH209 powder and they asked me to use CCI 209M or Federal 209A primers. They said that the primers I was using (Winchester 209) were not enough to ignite my load in my gun. When I switched over to the CCI 209M I have yet to have any problem getting my load to work.

I would just like to thank everyone again for their time and their feedback.... I really cant wait to try this powder! A lot of the stuff you guys talk about on here is kinda new to me, I shot pyrodex and just used the TC cleaning supplies.... When u guys talk about soakin the breach plug with windex and vinegar is that a 50/50 mix? Also when i clean with the hoppes solvent is taht it just swab it till its clean with it? I know im being kinda needy.

No, it is not a mix. Windex with Vinegar is a product sold by the manufacturer. Prolly has a fancy name like 'high strength' or some such thing or maybe it has a simple name.

When i clean my barrel, which isn't too often, i swab with Hoppes a few times, then use dry patches a few times, then use wet Hoppes patches, then dry, then Hoppes, then dry etc. If that answers your question, OK, if not.............i didn't understand it.

There may be a situation where you will need to use a brush with the Hoppes. Right now i am out of Hoppes, but have some 'Shooters Choice' so that is what i am using. I have also used JB bore cleaner a time or two; it will help 'polish' a rough bore.

What you could do is proceed shooting this, new to you powder, and 'see' for your self what transpires.