Berraga Barrels
12-10-2009, 06:30 PM
#41
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There is only one problem that I know of with the narrow rifling. They will get wear around the crown a bit faster than standard width. Of course that won't make any difference to some one that uses a bore protector bushing.
There is only one problem that I know of with the narrow rifling. They will get wear around the crown a bit faster than standard width. Of course that won't make any difference to some one that uses a bore protector bushing.
I take it you mean wear of the rifling. I think I would agree with that. The wear is really the same of course but with less metal being the rifling ... a greater proportion of the rifling is worn.
I would think the biggest problem would be blow by around the projectile as it leaves the crown. So it would be minimized I think with sabots and reduced by using an overpowder wad on conicals.
Like Breechplug, I am interested in knowing what a bore protector bushing is.
12-10-2009, 06:38 PM
#42
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Now the CVA Apex Barrels from Bergara go from ML Barrel $274.95 and the Centerfire's are $309.95.
So where do you get your higher prices for barrels for you TC? From TC? or where? What are there prices and who makes them?
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12-10-2009, 06:52 PM
#43
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Two big reasons... or more
Material cost are cheaper in Spain as the cost to make the material is less aboard and of course the big difference is the labor cost... American wages vs Spanish wages. Then think about the cost of machinery in Spain vs machinery here... things add or subtract in a hurry.
Probably why so much American industry has reloated from the US to across the waters...
Two big reasons... or more
Material cost are cheaper in Spain as the cost to make the material is less aboard and of course the big difference is the labor cost... American wages vs Spanish wages. Then think about the cost of machinery in Spain vs machinery here... things add or subtract in a hurry.
Probably why so much American industry has reloated from the US to across the waters...
12-10-2009, 08:08 PM
#45
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Thanks Mike.
Hmmm. My rifle ram-rod is brass ... and my range rods are aluminum with a brass end ... so I think I'll not be causing too much wear with them being that they are softer than the steel of the barrel. Now a fiberglass rod ... that's a whole different matter. Silica is harder than steel so it could cause wear.
I do have a crown protector on my short starter ...
Hmmm. My rifle ram-rod is brass ... and my range rods are aluminum with a brass end ... so I think I'll not be causing too much wear with them being that they are softer than the steel of the barrel. Now a fiberglass rod ... that's a whole different matter. Silica is harder than steel so it could cause wear.
I do have a crown protector on my short starter ...
12-10-2009, 09:16 PM
#46
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You can make a simple one from a centerfire rifle cartridge. Just have to pick the right casing for your setup. Cheapy bore guide.
http://www.cainsoutdoor.com/shop/item.asp?item=18701 they sell them pretty cheap and in different sizes
http://www.cainsoutdoor.com/shop/item.asp?item=18701 they sell them pretty cheap and in different sizes
12-11-2009, 12:58 AM
#47
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You can make a simple one from a centerfire rifle cartridge. Just have to pick the right casing for your setup. Cheapy bore guide.
http://www.cainsoutdoor.com/shop/item.asp?item=18701 they sell them pretty cheap and in different sizes
http://www.cainsoutdoor.com/shop/item.asp?item=18701 they sell them pretty cheap and in different sizes
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12-11-2009, 06:40 AM
#48
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Breechplug
YES!!!! you definitely should on your range rod - i really do not worry about it on the gun rod because I only use that once or twice during a hunting season.
I really do not care if your rod is brass or aluminum - your rod it self can pick up a contaminate itself like a piece of metal or silca - constant rubbing is a concern.
Check these out..
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/(S(13s...9&partNum=RG-6
The size that you want is detirmined by the rod diameter...
I have one on every range rod and especially cleaning rod.
I have never heard of one untill now, should I use one, and if so how tight or loose should one be in the bore?
I really do not care if your rod is brass or aluminum - your rod it self can pick up a contaminate itself like a piece of metal or silca - constant rubbing is a concern.
Check these out..
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/(S(13s...9&partNum=RG-6
The size that you want is detirmined by the rod diameter...
I have one on every range rod and especially cleaning rod.
12-11-2009, 07:15 AM
#49
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When I was working on guns one of the biggest problems that was common was the wear near the crown from ramrods. There is only two solutions for this problem once you have it [it is very hard on accuracy] you can get a new barrel or cut 2 inches off the barrel and re-crown it.
The fiberglass is the worst one to have, the aluminium and the wood are bad to they pick up grit and grind it against the barrel. Sabotloader is right if you shoot much at all you should have a Crown protector or what ever it is call where you live. They are usually either brass or a very good plastic and are held on the muzzle to keep the ramrod from wearing the barrel out of round. A shooter that only shoots for sighting and hunting will probably not have this problem but those of us that shoot a couple times a week could develop it in a year or two. I have seen a lot of rifle people brought in and could not understand why they lost accuracy that had this problem many were traded in and had to be repaired before resale. Lee
The fiberglass is the worst one to have, the aluminium and the wood are bad to they pick up grit and grind it against the barrel. Sabotloader is right if you shoot much at all you should have a Crown protector or what ever it is call where you live. They are usually either brass or a very good plastic and are held on the muzzle to keep the ramrod from wearing the barrel out of round. A shooter that only shoots for sighting and hunting will probably not have this problem but those of us that shoot a couple times a week could develop it in a year or two. I have seen a lot of rifle people brought in and could not understand why they lost accuracy that had this problem many were traded in and had to be repaired before resale. Lee
12-11-2009, 07:30 AM
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When I was working on guns one of the biggest problems that was common was the wear near the crown from ramrods. There is only two solutions for this problem once you have it [it is very hard on accuracy] you can get a new barrel or cut 2 inches off the barrel and re-crown it.
The fiberglass is the worst one to have, the aluminium and the wood are bad to they pick up grit and grind it against the barrel. Sabotloader is right if you shoot much at all you should have a Crown protector or what ever it is call where you live. They are usually either brass or a very good plastic and are held on the muzzle to keep the ramrod from wearing the barrel out of round. A shooter that only shoots for sighting and hunting will probably not have this problem but those of us that shoot a couple times a week could develop it in a year or two. I have seen a lot of rifle people brought in and could not understand why they lost accuracy that had this problem many were traded in and had to be repaired before resale. Lee
The fiberglass is the worst one to have, the aluminium and the wood are bad to they pick up grit and grind it against the barrel. Sabotloader is right if you shoot much at all you should have a Crown protector or what ever it is call where you live. They are usually either brass or a very good plastic and are held on the muzzle to keep the ramrod from wearing the barrel out of round. A shooter that only shoots for sighting and hunting will probably not have this problem but those of us that shoot a couple times a week could develop it in a year or two. I have seen a lot of rifle people brought in and could not understand why they lost accuracy that had this problem many were traded in and had to be repaired before resale. Lee
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