Berraga Barrels
11-11-2009, 06:10 PM
#21
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i shoot conicals from my accura all the time. they do excellent. i cant get the 385gr buffalo conicals to group but thats pretty common. These bullets never shot worth a crap in any rifle ive owned.
i need to try some hornady great plains conical though once i can find them.
i need to try some hornady great plains conical though once i can find them.
11-11-2009, 06:35 PM
#23
Nontypical Buck
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Breechplug,
Do you shoot conicals from your Accura? The reason I ask is because I wasn't aware the Bergara barrels were button rifled. The Kodiak Pro and Win Apex I own are both cut rifled. Regarding, SS coating, I can tell you these two stainless barrels are solid stainless. They aren't Bergara but they do shoot well. Particularly the Win Apex which has a better trigger. Its not uncommon to get 1" groups at 80 yards open sights. Its tough for me to point MOA beyond that distance with the factory sights and there is typically wind here so things tend to widen beyond that distance.
I do like cut rifling for the conicals though and am curious if you have tested any full bore conicals in your Accura.
Do you shoot conicals from your Accura? The reason I ask is because I wasn't aware the Bergara barrels were button rifled. The Kodiak Pro and Win Apex I own are both cut rifled. Regarding, SS coating, I can tell you these two stainless barrels are solid stainless. They aren't Bergara but they do shoot well. Particularly the Win Apex which has a better trigger. Its not uncommon to get 1" groups at 80 yards open sights. Its tough for me to point MOA beyond that distance with the factory sights and there is typically wind here so things tend to widen beyond that distance.
I do like cut rifling for the conicals though and am curious if you have tested any full bore conicals in your Accura.
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11-11-2009, 06:56 PM
#24
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BreechPlug,
I took some guff when I bought that Apex from some TC owners ...
But I am very happy with the rifle. I only paid $160 (in cabela's points) for it "brand spanky new"
I also got a Kodiak Pro in stainless after liking the Apex (when the Apex supplies run out). I loaned that Kodiak Pro to someone who fired it 10 months earlier and stored it uncleaned. I cleaned that rifle and there wasn't one bit of rust and no pitting whatsoever. Now its low humidity out here and I emphasize that everyone needs to clean their rifles when they get back from the range or the hunt, but I am CERTAIN it couldn't have come out so well had I not bought the stainless barrel.
A number of folks noted that it couldn't have come out like that in the climates where they live. That may be the case, but then having a SOLID stainless barrel would have to help.
I took some guff when I bought that Apex from some TC owners ...
But I am very happy with the rifle. I only paid $160 (in cabela's points) for it "brand spanky new"
I also got a Kodiak Pro in stainless after liking the Apex (when the Apex supplies run out). I loaned that Kodiak Pro to someone who fired it 10 months earlier and stored it uncleaned. I cleaned that rifle and there wasn't one bit of rust and no pitting whatsoever. Now its low humidity out here and I emphasize that everyone needs to clean their rifles when they get back from the range or the hunt, but I am CERTAIN it couldn't have come out so well had I not bought the stainless barrel.
A number of folks noted that it couldn't have come out like that in the climates where they live. That may be the case, but then having a SOLID stainless barrel would have to help.
11-11-2009, 07:29 PM
#25
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BreechPlug,
I took some guff when I bought that Apex from some TC owners ...
But I am very happy with the rifle. I only paid $160 (in cabela's points) for it "brand spanky new"
I also got a Kodiak Pro in stainless after liking the Apex (when the Apex supplies run out). I loaned that Kodiak Pro to someone who fired it 10 months earlier and stored it uncleaned. I cleaned that rifle and there wasn't one bit of rust and no pitting whatsoever. Now its low humidity out here and I emphasize that everyone needs to clean their rifles when they get back from the range or the hunt, but I am CERTAIN it couldn't have come out so well had I not bought the stainless barrel.
A number of folks noted that it couldn't have come out like that in the climates where they live. That may be the case, but then having a SOLID stainless barrel would have to help.
I took some guff when I bought that Apex from some TC owners ...
But I am very happy with the rifle. I only paid $160 (in cabela's points) for it "brand spanky new"
I also got a Kodiak Pro in stainless after liking the Apex (when the Apex supplies run out). I loaned that Kodiak Pro to someone who fired it 10 months earlier and stored it uncleaned. I cleaned that rifle and there wasn't one bit of rust and no pitting whatsoever. Now its low humidity out here and I emphasize that everyone needs to clean their rifles when they get back from the range or the hunt, but I am CERTAIN it couldn't have come out so well had I not bought the stainless barrel.
A number of folks noted that it couldn't have come out like that in the climates where they live. That may be the case, but then having a SOLID stainless barrel would have to help.
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11-11-2009, 07:49 PM
#26
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Yes, the Win Apex is basically the same rifle as the Kodiak Pro. There are cosmetic differences though. The sights, the stock, the housing of the firing pin is black on the Kodiak Pro but stainless on the Apex. But other than that, the same rifle.
My particular Apex has a trigger pull around 4 lbs. The Kodiak pro is around 7.5. lbs. I intend to send it to CVA for a trigger set but just haven't gotten around to it.
I swear I ain't lying. Anyone who wants to peer inside that Kodiak Pro ... be my guest. There isn't a single pit in the bore whatsoever so to say the least, I am very pleased with the steel it is constructed from.
My particular Apex has a trigger pull around 4 lbs. The Kodiak pro is around 7.5. lbs. I intend to send it to CVA for a trigger set but just haven't gotten around to it.
I swear I ain't lying. Anyone who wants to peer inside that Kodiak Pro ... be my guest. There isn't a single pit in the bore whatsoever so to say the least, I am very pleased with the steel it is constructed from.
11-11-2009, 08:48 PM
#27
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I am however tempted to get an accura but I need to get a 1" GMB .58 slow twist in flintlock and I want to get a 45 and 50 in the SS fast twist caplock barrel. So for my inlines ... for now ... I'm good.
Last edited by Pglasgow; 11-11-2009 at 08:51 PM.
11-12-2009, 12:24 AM
#28
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Yes, the Win Apex is basically the same rifle as the Kodiak Pro. There are cosmetic differences though. The sights, the stock, the housing of the firing pin is black on the Kodiak Pro but stainless on the Apex. But other than that, the same rifle.
My particular Apex has a trigger pull around 4 lbs. The Kodiak pro is around 7.5. lbs. I intend to send it to CVA for a trigger set but just haven't gotten around to it.
I swear I ain't lying. Anyone who wants to peer inside that Kodiak Pro ... be my guest. There isn't a single pit in the bore whatsoever so to say the least, I am very pleased with the steel it is constructed from.
My particular Apex has a trigger pull around 4 lbs. The Kodiak pro is around 7.5. lbs. I intend to send it to CVA for a trigger set but just haven't gotten around to it.
I swear I ain't lying. Anyone who wants to peer inside that Kodiak Pro ... be my guest. There isn't a single pit in the bore whatsoever so to say the least, I am very pleased with the steel it is constructed from.
As for trigger pull, 7 1/2lbs is too tight, I'd get er around 2-3lbs if possible. The trigger pull on the ACCURA's is so smooth I love it, it's somewhere in the 2+ range.
SUCCESS to you and Have a Safe and Happy Hunting Season!
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12-09-2009, 09:32 AM
#29
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Join Date: Jun 2004
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I had an early Omega and didn't take but one shooting session and i sold it for half what i paid. Maybe mine was a fluke but almost broke the ramrod trying to get a second sabot down the barrel. Was t/C brand and you should be able to get a second shot off without cleaning. Even clean it was a struggle. then it didn't shoot groups very good at all. Friend with me thought i was going to break the ramrod loading it. Not a good hunting gun for me. Went back to my old MK 85 knight and then to a rolling block and now the accura. Had a wolf also this year that worked very good and took a deer. So did the knight. Not a very good trigger on the omega for me.
12-09-2009, 05:59 PM
#30
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I had an early Omega and didn't take but one shooting session and i sold it for half what i paid. Maybe mine was a fluke but almost broke the ramrod trying to get a second sabot down the barrel. Was t/C brand and you should be able to get a second shot off without cleaning. Even clean it was a struggle. then it didn't shoot groups very good at all. Friend with me thought i was going to break the ramrod loading it. Not a good hunting gun for me. Went back to my old MK 85 knight and then to a rolling block and now the accura. Had a wolf also this year that worked very good and took a deer. So did the knight. Not a very good trigger on the omega for me.
Back to the Topic and Bergara Barrels....I just recently found out how easily the SS ones clen up. I found that I like a slightly fouled barrel for Hunting as it is much more accurate. The other night I shot a Big Doe and I ran a patch down the barrel after firing it and cleaned the breechplug. Befor I ran a patch of Montana X-Treme Bore Conditioner thru it I looked down the barrel and I was suprised at how clean the barrel was after just one shot, actually too clean with just one patch. After a range session the SS bergara Barrel cleans up far easier than any other barrel on any ML I own, no need to even use a Brass Brush or Nylon Brush, just solvent soaked patches, mabey 3 at most and it's clean. I love the Stainless Steel Bergara Barrel.
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