Smokeless muzzle loader to me is an oxymoron. Kinda like military intelligence or jumbo shrimp. I just prefer Black powder or black powder substitutes. I even prefer Traditional guns over Inlines even though i have lots of Inlines. Just the thought of a muzzle loader conjures up images of Jeremiah Johnson while the thought of smokeless powder conjures up images of a centerfire.. Now don't jump on me for being anti -savage, cause I'm not. I might even have one some day. But it doesn't appeal to me at the moment.

Semi

See! I total agree with that sentement...I know the Savage is a great rifle and I know I am cheap - I could probably shoot it cheaper than shooting a ML with T7 - but for some reason she just does not fit my fancy... For me, one of the reason I have chose nML hunting is because of the additional challenges asssociated with the sport. I can not even tell you the last time I used a CF during any pf our hunting seasons here in Idaho. I am not even upset that I can not shoot farther than 200 yard - I do not need to be able to shoot the 300 ML shot... Just do not live where that type shot would be necessary.

If I were going to hunt with a Savage using smokless - seriously rather making the investment, i would take my 300 win mag put one shell in the chamber and the rest in my back pack and go hunting...

I also know that there folks out there that because of the rules and terrain in their part of the country the smokless Savage makes perfect sense.

Hope this helps explain my thoughts...

I've wondered that as well. It's a very nice rifle and it's a Savage so you know it's built well. My friend Jim has a gorgeous one with the SS barrel and wood laminate stock. It's a very good looking rifle and a tack driver for sure. Bolt action so there's no blow back and an adjustable Accu-Trigger round out some of the awesome features that rifle has. I think the price tag may discourage a lot of people.

Just a thought while your shopping for a muzzleloader. Make sure the model you pick out will be able to shoot the new Black Horn 209 powder. I have a CVA Wolf that will shoot it and a Knight KRB7 that won't because of the breech plug design. Knight claims they are working on a replacement but all I've gotten out of them is a run around.

The Savage is without a doubt a great rifle. And price wise, its no more then some of the better top of the line muzzleloaders out there. The only reason it does not appeal to me is it shoots "smokeless powder." I have no means to justify why I feel this way. As I said, its a great rifle from all I have read. BUT I have not desire to shoot a "smokeless" muzzleloader. I went to muzzleloaders many years ago,to get away from the center fire experience. And I am not comparing the Savage and a center fire by any means. Its just that the early muzzleloaders with their poor (in some professionals minds) ballistic roundball, limited range, the dirty powder, and single shot. Just appealed to me. I am surprised I have taken such a shine to the modern inline rifles. But of course where I live and hunt, there are no long shots and scopes are not allowed.

Agree 100 percent. Most people don't buy Savage because Savage is NOT huge in marketing like TC, and also they are harder to shoot initially. Most people new in MLing do not understand it so get what their buddies shoot. Chap

I think it is price, they compete with high end Encores really. Chap

Agreed, buy a rifle that shoots Blackhorn 209, cleaner, near smokeless.
Chap

I feel likewise. I started shooting BRBs out of my Lyman. Still do and love it. But eventually got into inlines (not sure why) and have come to like them. My next muzzy will probably be a flint lock. Smokeless just does not seem right for me. But I will not knock it for others. Most of my shooting is close, too!

Just my 2 cents. But as Chap points out you may want to shoot long shots so....IOWAWHITETAILS you have some thinkin' to do!

savage is boring. No smoke, none of that good smelling black powder. If i wanted to smell smokeless i'd dust off my 30-30.

And its better to leave it just right there and say no more