Smokeless muzzle loader to me is an oxymoron. Kinda like military intelligence or jumbo shrimp. I just prefer Black powder or black powder substitutes. I even prefer Traditional guns over Inlines even though i have lots of Inlines. Just the thought of a muzzle loader conjures up images of Jeremiah Johnson while the thought of smokeless powder conjures up images of a centerfire.. Now don't jump on me for being anti -savage, cause I'm not. I might even have one some day. But it doesn't appeal to me at the moment.