same as sheath.

check out tests done on sheaths vrs like wd-40.

wd-40 blew doors off them all.



what a lot are doing on the traditional forums,they are taking wd-40,putting in on heavy after they have barrel dry from hot water rinse,then dry it out with dry patch, then put on whatever oil you like.

Are youtalking about (after a final clean) for something to prevent rust in the bore? Then there are a-lot of good choices. Rem-Oil, WD-40, Birchwood Casey Gun Oil, MX Bore Conditioner, MX Gun Oil, and Im sure the BC Barricade is fine also, and the list goes on. If your talking about a Bore Conditioner, then it's up in the air on that one. Many manufactures claim to have what they call a Bore Conditioner, but you yourself will have to try them and see what works good . For now Im using the MX BC and as other's have'nt come to a conclusion as if this is the (BEST) or not, but from other's who have tested it, it seems to be doing a good job, only time and more test will tell. I for years used Bore Butter with good results, but other's hate it. So find out what you like and use it. Best of luck to you,,,,,,,,Ron

WD-40 is a great protector. The only thing about WD-40 is leave it in a bore or continue use of it and it will get gummy.I actually think the stuff attracts dust. Ever see how much dust is in a bore of a barrel that has sat around for a long time? Add a wood stove in the house and it only gets worse. I never use WD in actions of my semi automatic pistols or rifles. But WD-40 will remove water, and will protect metal. I used it for years when I was younger. That's how I learned the hard way about it gumming up the actions on the pistols.

I think you will find that what is best depends on several things including what powder you are burning in that particular gun and what you clean it with sometimes for some people it would include how long it will be before you shoot again. Personally I use the Montana Xtreme products with BH209 and the guns I shoot it in and I use Birchwood Casey Sheath [Barricade] and Synthetic oil in the guns I clean with windshield washer and ALK and soap and water. Lee

For all the actions on my guns I use ( Molly Lube ) it's a (Dry Film Aerosol Lubricant) you cant beat this stuff. Have you or anyones else used it? I learned a-long time ago that WD-40 will gum up and freeze. I had it applied to a shotgun's action and fireing pin. Well that day it was zero out and along came a nice buck. I aimed, pulled the trigger and nothing! The WD-40 froze solid and the fireing pin would'nt move. So from then on I never used it on actions, but have used it inside barrels.

Oh, by the way, Molly Lube (repels dust) it goes on wet, then evaporates to leave a good slick lubricant, it's been used for many pourposes in the machine trade and has a strong following with great reviews. I have a woodstove, and when I clean my actions on my guns there is NO DUST, it works great!

I've never used Molly Lube, but it sounds like something that might be examined.

Man the more i read the more confused i get. I would like a quick check list in the order you perform the total gun care after a afternoon of shooting. I shot my Genesis for the first time saturday and still have to clean her up. I have bought a few of the products mentioned here so i should be able to complete the check list. I will probaly print a list and keep it in my cleaning box. THANKS in advance...Chuck

I have used it and it is very good I just happened to like Birchwood Casey synthetic oil a bit better. Lee

Here's what I do with my ML (Genesis) after every time I shoot it...

1. Disassemble weapon. To include removing the trigger group and torch cam breech block assembly.

2. Put the breech plug, torch cam breech block, firing pin, firing pin spring, breech block retaining pin in a jar of Remington Express Clean Parts Bath. (Same as Traditions Clean Parts Bath). Let them soak until the end of the cleaning.

3. Depending on the extent of required cleaning on the trigger group, I usually don't do anything with it. If there's any dirt or fouling in there, I use Remington Action Cleaner to blast it all out. Then I apply some Remington Dry Lube to the trigger parts. Sometime I will disassemble the entire trigger if I have the time. But it hasn't needed that detailed of a cleaning yet. I just do it for fun when I'm bored.

4. Using q-tips and rags, I soak them with Remington Express Clean Spray Solvent (same as Traditions) and begin to work on the lower receiver. I focus primarily on the breech area as it tends to accumulate the most fouling. Sometimes it requires the use of an AP brush or even a bore brush if the fouling is really baked on. Keep going until satisfied with cleanliness. Then I apply a thin film of RemOil on all the metal parts.

5. Begin on barrel. I start with two patches soaked with the above listed solvent and then I use a bore brush also soaked with solvent. Then I swab the bore rotating between solvent soaked patches and clean patches. Once I'm satisfied with cleanliness I move onto cleaning the breech end of the barrel.

6. I wrap a solvent soaked patch on my bore brush and insert it into the breech end of the barrel while spinning it. This allows me to clean the threads where the breech plug goes. Sometimes I'll use aerosol shotgun cleaner to blast the threads with but I use the above mentioned method most of the time because I clean inside the house. I also spray some solvent on q-tips and work all the bevelled areas of the breech end of them barrel.

7. Once the breech end is clean, I apply some bore protectant to a patch and run it all the way through the bore. I flip it over and run it again.

8. Then I clean the outside surface of the barrel with RemOil and a rag. I use q-tips with RemOil to get into tight places.

9. Then I wipe down the scope and use my Nikon Lens Pen to clean the glass. Then I'm done with the barrel assembly.

10. By this time the breech parts have soaked quite a while and are ready for cleaning. I start with the torch cam parts. I scrub them and q-tip them with spray solvent until I'm satisfied with their cleanliness. I usually have to use a small flat-head screwdriver to scrape off the baked on fouling that accumulates on the face of the torch cam.

11. Then I dry the parts with a rag, apply RemOil and reassemble them.

12. Then I work on the breech plug. The majority of the fouling has become gunk due to the bath. I swab all that off with q-tips and use a .22 bronze bore brush to scrub the remaining fouling off. Then I run an 1/8" drill bit down the firing channel while spinning it with my fingers.A final spray of solvent, some q-tips and a couple pipe cleaners finishes off the breech plug. It always looks brand new when I'm done.

13. I don't use teflon tape or grease on my breech plug since I have yet to encounter a problem removing it after firing Blackhorn 209. I just apply a very light coat of RemOil on the threads andre-install it in the barrel.

14. Then I reassemble everything. I apply a small amount of RemOil on the threads of all the hex screws before installing them.

15. Once everything is reassembled, I wipe off any part of the gun I touched during the process with a rag sprayed with RemOil.

After that I just put it in my gun case and it's good to go until the next time I want to fire it.