bullet size
12-15-2008 | 10:45 AM
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RE: bullet size
ORIGINAL: gleason.chapman
Tell us your wisdom. My brother is using these with 150g of Pryrdex in an Encore. He has had good luck with them, but he is shooting where the neck joins the body shots with them for close shots.
Give us your opinion, do they fragement? Not penetrate?
Chap
ORIGINAL: MountainDevil54
i can disagree with the sabertooths being better. Especially with a short yardage shot.
i can disagree with the sabertooths being better. Especially with a short yardage shot.
Give us your opinion, do they fragement? Not penetrate?
Chap
12-15-2008 | 05:43 PM
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RE: bullet size
ORIGINAL: SWThomas
What kind of accuracy are you getting with those hollowpoints at 200 yards?
ORIGINAL: gleason.chapman
Been there done that except with 295g PB and 150g of 777 pellets. I came to this forum several years agoasking the same questions, in my opinion the PB fragmented and didn't penetrate the vitals on the 2nd shot. I then switched to 300g Nosler Partitions with 100g of loose 777 and a crushed rib sabot. Now I shoot a 300g Barnes MZ in my Omega. PB are fine for 1200-1400 fps "bow shots", however if you shooting faster than thosespeedsOR shooting into bone on the shoulder then the PB may not penetrate into thevital,therefore not killing the deer and not providing good blood trails. I loveBarnes MZ, Nosler Patitions, Speer Gold Dots, Barnes Origonalare excellent tough bullets.
Chap
Been there done that except with 295g PB and 150g of 777 pellets. I came to this forum several years agoasking the same questions, in my opinion the PB fragmented and didn't penetrate the vitals on the 2nd shot. I then switched to 300g Nosler Partitions with 100g of loose 777 and a crushed rib sabot. Now I shoot a 300g Barnes MZ in my Omega. PB are fine for 1200-1400 fps "bow shots", however if you shooting faster than thosespeedsOR shooting into bone on the shoulder then the PB may not penetrate into thevital,therefore not killing the deer and not providing good blood trails. I loveBarnes MZ, Nosler Patitions, Speer Gold Dots, Barnes Origonalare excellent tough bullets.
Chap
For my Savage: http://www.the-gleasons.com/this_is_my_savage_10_ml_page.htm
Form my Omega and Knight Disc:
http://www.the-gleasons.com/bullets_penetration_tests_for_mu.htm
Chap
12-15-2008 | 05:44 PM
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RE: bullet size
ORIGINAL: MountainDevil54
You've seen the pics of the 250gr sabertooths ive tested. But i guess as usual i will have to load them again to refreshen memories
You've seen the pics of the 250gr sabertooths ive tested. But i guess as usual i will have to load them again to refreshen memories
12-15-2008 | 06:20 PM
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From: Boncarbo,Colorado
RE: bullet size
ORIGINAL: gleason.chapman
Ya know I don't remember seeing them, but I am very interested in seeing your testing. Chap
ORIGINAL: MountainDevil54
You've seen the pics of the 250gr sabertooths ive tested. But i guess as usual i will have to load them again to refreshen memories
You've seen the pics of the 250gr sabertooths ive tested. But i guess as usual i will have to load them again to refreshen memories
80gr pyrodex rs @ 20,58 and 100 yards.
Top left is the single 20 yard shot, Next 2 were 58 yards and the one that expanded to the size of a dime "if that" was 100 yards.
250gr sabertooth * All of the plastic skirts stayed connected to the bullets, even the 100 yard bullet"
Still have these bullets in my *To melt* Box
12-15-2008 | 06:39 PM
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RE: bullet size
ORIGINAL: MountainDevil54
Sure ya have! You just don't know the member behind this name. Made it for that nasty .54 mountain rifle i have, I came up with the name as it was a devil to get that elk off the mountain
80gr pyrodex rs @ 20,58 and 100 yards.
Top left is the single 20 yard shot, Next 2 were 58 yards and the one that expanded to the size of a dime "if that" was 100 yards.
250gr sabertooth * All of the plastic skirts stayed connected to the bullets, even the 100 yard bullet"
Still have these bullets in my *To melt* Box
ORIGINAL: gleason.chapman
Ya know I don't remember seeing them, but I am very interested in seeing your testing. Chap
ORIGINAL: MountainDevil54
You've seen the pics of the 250gr sabertooths ive tested. But i guess as usual i will have to load them again to refreshen memories
You've seen the pics of the 250gr sabertooths ive tested. But i guess as usual i will have to load them again to refreshen memories
80gr pyrodex rs @ 20,58 and 100 yards.
Top left is the single 20 yard shot, Next 2 were 58 yards and the one that expanded to the size of a dime "if that" was 100 yards.
250gr sabertooth * All of the plastic skirts stayed connected to the bullets, even the 100 yard bullet"
Still have these bullets in my *To melt* Box
12-16-2008 | 07:06 AM
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RE: bullet size
Congrats on the first deer. I have to agree with MountainDevil54on the second. This sounds like a shot that may have hit just a bit high and touched the spine. I had a buddy who shot a deer a couple years ago that did the same thing.He was able to get a good second shot and finished the animal.
I have shot the 245gr PB Aerotip over 2 pellets of 777 with great success. I have heard the horror stories, but never experienced them myself in my guns.Some theories in self defenseapply here.Many self defense experts do not recommend 9mm's as most loads are so fast they go right through the target without causing major stopping power. Heavy bullets of certain types can help this problem. A heavier bullet will hit harder, but at what expense. As you said you are extremely accurate with the 223gr. I guess question to be asked is did the bullet fail or did you not hit the animal exactly where you want to. IMHO, we cancritique bullets all day, but first we should make sure they hit the boiler room.
I have shot the 245gr PB Aerotip over 2 pellets of 777 with great success. I have heard the horror stories, but never experienced them myself in my guns.Some theories in self defenseapply here.Many self defense experts do not recommend 9mm's as most loads are so fast they go right through the target without causing major stopping power. Heavy bullets of certain types can help this problem. A heavier bullet will hit harder, but at what expense. As you said you are extremely accurate with the 223gr. I guess question to be asked is did the bullet fail or did you not hit the animal exactly where you want to. IMHO, we cancritique bullets all day, but first we should make sure they hit the boiler room.
12-16-2008 | 07:31 AM
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From: North Carolina
RE: bullet size
So why do you want to shoot a Powerbelt? Why restrict yourself to certain distances and velocities? I thought I liked Powerbelts too, until I shot deer with them. Those Sabertooths do not impress me, they seem to open into too many different shapes.
12-16-2008 | 07:49 AM
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RE: bullet size
thanks for all the replies. I have always been happy with the powerbelts. It's just with the lack of blood i had on both animals friday i guess i was just second guessing my choice. It just got me thinking, maybe a little to much. But this spring and summer i will be trying some heavier bullet weights at the range to gain some more info.
