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read somewhere on the net that they have problems blowing barrels.is there any truth to this? i am looking to get my first mloader and i cant afford to get anything more than $200, maybe $250 at the most.

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LOL no.

in 1995 and 1996 they had breech plug issues on the cva apollo. Randy Wakeman is referring to those but does not mention it.

He also says that Traditions muzzleloaders *Pretty much anything made in spain* is dangerous.

Also says that Powerbelts are hard lead and thats why they fragment.. that one brings me to tears from laughing every time i read it.

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good to hear. here is the link to what i read.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/dangerous_muzzleloaders.htm

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LOL I expected that link to show up.

Take a look at some of the muzzleloader reviews that he has wrote. There are a good number of CVA brand muzzleloaders. Ask yourself, If you were in his shoes and said that they were dangerous and would blow up, Would you be shooting them and testing them out to write up a review on the rifle?

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good point! thanks for clearing that up. do you think that a wolf would be a good starting rifle?

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I think the wolf would be a very good starting rifle. And to be honest, Once you got that kitty purring, it may be the only muzzleloader you will need.

After a year or 2 of muzzleloading you will be like a lot of us on here who own half a dozen muzzleloaders.
Or in cayugads's case, 30 or 40.

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sounds great. looking forward to mloading. i hope to getone around tax time, bills during the winter and hours being cut at work make it hard tobuy anything right now.my dad is gonna let me shoot his until i get my own.

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hurley0816

That story was never the actual story... The original CVA company, not the current BPI/CVA, did have a problem with the breech plug in the barrel blowing out of the barrel - but that was in a very limited amount of guns - and a recall for those guns was issued, unfortunately it did lead to the demise of the original company.

The modern BPI/CVA guns have not had any greater problems than most any other compainies. But, because the CVA product is basically made in a foreign country a lot of people choose to relate that a poorer quality gun.

If you choose to purchase a $200 gun and you follow the directions provided to you - you should expect the gun to perform, in general, fairly well.

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I shoot Traditions and they can out shoot the best of them. I have no fear of them being from Spain. The main thing is to read the manual and take care of the gun, cleaning, loading, etc.. I also have to laugh at Randy and all of his posts. The new CVAs all have Bergara barrels which are top of the line, even have barrels for TCs for the Encores.

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Gotbuck

I am not sure that all of the new CVA's come with a Bergara barrels, FG would know for sure though. I think some of the less expensive ones might still support barrels from a manufacture oter than Bergara- BUT I am not sure.

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I have the Wolf, and it is a great gun. Just sghot my first ML deer this year with it. I am shooting a 295 grain hollow point Powerbelt,with 80 grains of 777 loose powder, and winchester 209 primers. And it shoots very well. My Wolf also likes the 295 grain Aerotip Powerbelts, with the same load.

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Sabotloader may be right but all I know is all the news adds I see (Accura, Optima) have the Bergara barrels. Either way the barrels have come a long way from years past and if you maintain them properly they will last a lifetime.

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No, Not all of them have been switched over to the Bergara barrel.

Just the Accura,Electra and Optima Elite currently have them. I think that these new models will be replacing the older break actions sooner or later.

I can picture an SS Accura Elite!

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thanks for the replies guys. i gotta get to sleep, hunting in the morning.ill take opinions on other mloaders that are not expensive and good for beginners also.

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There is all thisstuff about CVA guns blowing up. If the newer CVA guns were blowing up all over the place it would be on the internet; and it ain't there. Despite Randy Wakeman's claims, there are no photos or vivid stories of CVA guns blowing up except for those undocumented claims by Wakeman himself.

Wakeman has been banned from nearly every muzzleloader forum in the US. He used to do some posting under other names. Show me where the unobstructed barrel ofa modern CVA gun has blown up using a recommended charge of black powder or a BP substitute.

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I wouldn't worry about it- like some others have said, there WAS a limited amount of CVA's that had problems years ago, but some people have blown it way out of proportion.

CVA does limit their recommended powder charges- more so than some other manufacturers- 150 grains pellets, but only 100 grains loose powder. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but hey, it's their company.

I have a CVA that I really like- it's a great shooter and a great value. I think you'll find that most CVA's are very accurate & dependable workhorse rifles. The only downsides that I've seen are the already-mentioned powder limitations (if you are a powder junky) and especially on their lower end models, the fit and finish isn't wonderful. In other words, you pick up the rifle and right away you realize that it is not an expensive or finely crafted firearm. Now if you're just a hunter or shooter who wants good performance for your buck, CVA is the way to go- the Wolf or the Buckhorn are both inexpensive models that tend to shoot well.

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I think this guy Wakeman is a bit of a clown. He's the typical know-it-all kind of guy and there are plenty of those in the hunting/shooting world. In this age of product liablility suits I can't see any company knowingly putting out a firearm that could be flawed and dangerous in design. He probably can't handle the fact that CVA's can shoot about as well as the expensive guns he might own so he has to go out of his way to badmouth them. Sure they are not works of art, but why should that matter? They have proven themselves to be a reliable firearm that will put deer down. For most hunters that's all that matters.

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I just bought an CVA Kodiak Pro an put an Bushnell Banner scope and had it bore sighted and it works great all for under 250. at Gander Mountain

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Bout five or six years ago, my oldest son wanted to hunt BP with me and being on a budget that year, I bought him CVA's lowest entry level .50 that Cabelas carried. Other that having a cheap plastic front sight that broke off one day (replaced with some better fiber optics), it has been a great shooter/hunter.

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I'm new here and i don't want to start out on the wrong foot, but i do know of one CVA opitma that the barrel blew up on. A Friend of mine's brother had one toexplode on him a couple of weeks ago.He said that he was not shootingbut 90grn of powder and that it was not short loaded.It blew under the scope,tearing it up also it busted one of his ear drums adamaged his hearing in the other ear plus cracked the winshield on his truck as he was shooting it on the hood. He has it posted on the Miss. Dept of Wildlife Fisheries and Parks website

Johnny

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are any of these rifles still in the owners hands?

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Yeah he still has his.I work with his brother and he told me that he was going to keep it for now.

Johnny

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take some pics of it if possible.. What are the details? load etc?

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I'll see what I can do about the pics. From what i got from his brother he had shot the gun earlier in the day while hunting and was going to clean it on returning home so he laid it on the hood of his truck to shoot at his range target thats when it exploded. He was shooting a 90grncharge of loose powder I'm not sure what brand withi think he saidpowerbelts bullet again not sure what grn they were. I'll find out for sure tomorrow and repost it.

Johnny

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A metallurgic examination of the barrel by a pro will tell the tale, but I'd bet 9 to 1 the bullet had moved forward in the barrel.

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I have to say, it sounds like the load moved. It would be interesting to see how the barrel blew and where.

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Semisane

Aaaaaa...

A PowerBelt - move forward - ah come on! couldn't happen could it?

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TommyDelvis, where are you?

"I HAD A CVA OPTIMA FOR 4YEARS THEN LAST WEEK IT BLEW UP IN MY FACE,ONLY TO FIND OUT THE SAME THING HAS HAPPENED SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE AND COVERED UP BY PAYINY THE PEOPLE OFF,BUT THEY WILL NOT TALK TO ME. ALL I CAN SAY IS BUY WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD THE MORE YOU PAY THE BETTER YOU GET, BUT STAY AWAY FROM CVA FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY." http://www.mdwfp.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=56455

http://www.mdwfp.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=58485

I searched the web the other night for a TommyDelvis. Found another forum with a user by the same handle and that forum, unlike the one for Mississippi, showed a name for that person. I did a search on the name and found a news article about a fellow in Roanoke, VA that put himself into a coma with chemicals in his basement. He was trying to brew up some rocket fuel.

Now I don't mean to imply that was the same person, and it surely wasn't. I just thought the coincidence was peculiar.

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Are CVA's dangerous, VERY much so from a whitetail's stand point.

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If you go to Randy Wakeman.Com he has a new article called the CVA menace where he goes into a lengthy tie raid on the CVA's. Sorry, I have not figured out yet how to paste a link on this forum as of yet.

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+1

Guy said it blew up under the scope.

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Get the Wolf, you will not go wrong w/ that gun! And then later you can start moaning about how many you have and you need a new gun cabinet and it;s all Cayugad's fault..................

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ALL muzzle loaders are dangerous...You are making a pipe bomb so you have to be carefull...

Frankly, some folks are more accident prone to others, be it a car, ladder, hammer, chain saw or other tools that we use...You must be careful and know what you are doing, or you might blow your head off...

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Why can't we put this thing to bed once and for all? Toby Bridges managed to blow uo a Savage ML-10(RW's favorite) Sako has a recall on a batch of rifles with bad barrels.I witnessed a S&W .38 blow the top off the cylinder on the first shot ever fired out of it.I saw a Chevy motor that sucked a valve with less than 50 miles on it(no groove in the valve stem for the keepers) Not all CVA's are dangerous or defective,justlike all Savage,Smith and Wesson or Chevy's are not. RW is a pot stirring egomaniac with an agenda.A legend in his own mind,who if questioned about anything will attack who ever dared to dissagree with him. Been there-he called me a Cretin.

Charlie

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He is also in the pockets of an ambulance chasing lawyer from Tulsa, OK.

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13 years of muzzleloading experience as a Marine??? When was the guy in the Marines? During the Civil War???

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Met a guy who claimed to know something about that case. He says the man used smokeless powder in his CVA.

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Now that's a pipe bomb![&:]

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The only two muzzleloaders I own. so far, are both CVAs. Never had a problem with either one of them - other than the BS sights supplied. This Wakeman guy - IMHO, doesn't know his a## from a hole in the ground. Without a doubt, he is in the back pocket of someone's britches. I've taken the time (wasted) to read some of his so called "articles" - nothing but double standards and contridictions. From what I've been able to deduce, the so called barrel explosion was not a result of a bad barrel, but from some idiot neophyte exceeding the company recommended load (ie: 150 gr loose powder rather than 100 gr loose powder). Too bad so many people in this country can not comprehend what they read and the legal tort system has gotten so out of hand.

Sorry for the rant, but it just really pisses me off. [:@]