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Here is a pic of the optima that blew up on my friend's brother.And he is from Mississippi and not the one that was making rocket fuel,but i could see him trying it if he had thought of it. Lol






Johnny

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Never mind i see the hole now. tiny pics are hard to see until you save them and zoom in.

But someone here mentioned that this rifle used smokeless powder? I hardly can see BP or a sub ripping it open like it is, even with a short started projectile.

If this was caused by smokeless powder, take a look at the breech plug, its still in there.

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what powder?

again what powder?

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i hve a cva buckhorn magnum with a bergara barrel 0nly 127 bucks at walmart shoots great and i often use a magnum charge.:D

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Thetrue accounting of exactly what transpired before that shot would be of keen interest. Perhaps the fellow involved would come here and post his story.

kilotanker19 - I don't think so (the Bergara part).

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kilotanker19

From what I can find - I do not think the Buckhornscome with Bergara barrels... they are the standard CVA barrel. Not all new CVA's have the Bergara barrel. If you look through the CVA sight it will tell you which models have the Bergara

http://www.cva.com/rifles-buck.html

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All the details that I have gotten were from his brotherand theyare that it was a 90 grain charge of loose powder either pyrodex or triple7.He said that at times he had used one or the other and a powerbelt bullet.

I also had him to ask to make sure that he hadn't short loaded it,which he said he had not I e-mailed him tonight to see if he would post it here so you could get all the facts straight from him.

I know a lot of people who think it may have been human error. I don’t know I wasn’t there and neither were they and all we can go on is what we are told and what our experiences have been and form our opinion from that. Whether we agree or dissagree but strange things do happen.

Some may think it was CVA’s fault? Yes it could have been a bad barrel. Do I think everyOptima will explode sooner or later? Absolutely not

I have owned and shot them in the past and am considering buying one now from the brother I work with. I guess he is a little gun shy of it now, all things considering.

No matter what was the cause I’m just glad that he was not more seriously hurt. From looking at the pictures it could have been really bad.

Johnny

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to answer a few ? I loaded 90 gr loose pyrodex,300gr sabot shot once i field,apparent miss never seen any blood or find deer, reloaded same load,yes single load with 90gr checked powder before leaving house,came home decidedto unload,laid across hood of truck and fired,barrel directly above scope bursted blowing half scope 30ft behind me,luckilymissing my head only suffering hearing loss thanks for concern

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRKP1OkR1fA

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WOW!! that barrel must have been plugged don't you think?

I am not refering to the tommydavis rifle with that above comment. I am looking at that picture. Did that rifle fail right where the back base mount attached to the barrel? I sure am sorry to hear of your hearing loss, but glad you were not killed by such a thing.

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Browning A-Bolt 30-06. Dirt (mud) clogged bore. Shot attempted was ~400 yards.


Any gun can fail if the user doesn't take proper precautions.

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That's what I kind of figured UC. What a waste of a good rifle. Lucky he did not get hurt.

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gun in reference is optima,yes it blew directly where the screw holes were for the scope in front of breach plug, plug still in gun barrel split directly in fromt of plug

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If you stop and think about it it is suprising they have as few blow as they do. Quality control and inspection is something the Americans do, and their so called proof testing is so pitiful its anal. Lee

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tell that to toby bridges;)

check out youtube, PLENTY of those good ol american made rifles exploding!

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tommy have you got in touch with cva/bpi about this? or just waiting for lawyers to do that?

either way the gun will be tested for manufacture or user error.

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yes I did talk to cva to try and explain what heppened and they sent me an address label and told me to send the gun back to them asap,,not, the gun is with me,I have talked to a lawyer and he explains to me I must wait for dr to release me and give my final results on my hearing and bills.
sent cva pics of gun and let them know address label hed wrong name on it,also told them what the dr was saying,only responce I got from them was""I'm sorry to hear about your dr visit butplease go ahead and use that label,but put a piece of paper with my name adddress and phone number""they already have all that so why can't they get the right name on a label

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How did Randy Wakeman get your name?

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so whos gun was it that blew up again?

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the pic you saw of gun in floor with half scope gone and hole in top of barrel is mine

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Some of us still have a bad attitude about CVA from way back when they had barrels bursting all over the country,
The lawsuits from that were awful and the original company went broke if I remember correctly. I know I will not forget the day a customer came in all bandaged up with a cva that had burst in his hand, so I guess I am a bit biased. In all truth the outfit that bought them out has upgraded at least 1,000 percent, even so I remain a bit biased. It is also true that any gun with an obstructed barrel can be blown and that any competent gunsmith can tell what caused the problem. Lee

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had best gunsmith in my parts look at gun even traveled 75 miles to get there (he's best in my area NE MS) only thing he could say is would have to test metal itself to say for sure but almost certain week material and burst point was directly above scope holes so that caused the weekest point being the thinnest part of material

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Im no scientist or gunsmith, but holes in a barrel for scope mounts dont make the barrel any less thinner at that part of the barrel. It would seem that the powder charge would be in that same location as the scope holes. Hence, a improperly loaded charge would be a likely cause of the barrel bursting. In my opinion there is no way for sure to determine the exact cause of what happened, unless when you loaded the gun it was done by a team of experts on hand, then mabey we'd at least have a clue to waht happened. Im sorry for your mishap and Im glad your O.K. that's what really matters. But the true facts may never be known. I hope you find a cause to what really happened, and if in fact CVA was to blame then they should be accountable for it, but in this sport Safety and Good Gunmenship come first,and when we decide to join in this sport we better know the concequences to what may happen if we fail to do what is expected of us when we pick up a firearm. Dont be fast to blame the Manufacture when a mishap of our own doing occures. This is My Opinion and May God Bless you and your Famiy!

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still trying pics can anyome tell me how

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Tommy, you can't post a pic that isresiding onlyon your hard drive. Go to tinypic.com and upload it. Then copy the url for email provided, come here and click the picture icon, then paste in the address. You should see the picture appear almost immediately. If you don't, try it again.

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Underclocked
am i not supposed to post pics off the hard drive? That's the only way I have ever done it. I modify them to the indicated size in Photo Elements or L-View and down load them so far there's been no problem I know of. Lee

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Lee, no - what you are doing is fine using the upload feature to upload an attachment. Tommydelvis isn't doing that. The last one he attempted to post was given at address of http://c:/Users/tommy/Pictures/2008-12-09%20camera/camera%20043.JPG which might be an interesting picture but it is on his C drive. He must be using Vista due to the location of his Pictures folder. :D

Big difference intrying to directly link a filein your Pictures folder ...and uploading an attachment.

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Underclocked
OK, guess I did not understand. I wish I had some of you computer wise guys here I just built a new one [the one I am on I built when Pen2 first put the chip on the market and its probably a bit out dated . I hope it don't take me a week of spare time to get all the soft wear running smooth like it did the last time. Lee

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http://s559.photobucket.com/albums/ss39/tommydelvis/ok I'm not computer person but maybe this works if not anyone wanting to see just send me an email @yahoo

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tommydelvis

Hope you do not mind - I'll post them here for you... if this is a problem let me know and I will delete..

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great thanks just wanted to let everyone see for themselves the gun does exist

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sure it exists, but your side of the story still remains a mystery.

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the gun was loaded with 90gr pyrodex rs (black and orange can bought @ wal-mart 2yrs ago). I'm not reloader or anything else thats the only powder I have around,single load single bullet nothing else in barrel placed primer in breech plug fired and came out of smoke with what you see,what more is there to story

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how many times did you shoot it that day before kaboom?

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once two hours prior

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tommydelvis.. I would like to take this opportunity personallyto thank you for sharing your incident and all the particulars with us. All to often things like this happen and the person(s) injured are bought off and a gag order placed and other people never learn the truth. It takes a lot of fortitude let alone unselfishness on your part. You could have sold out I'm sure. Instead you felt it more important to get the word out to fellow black powder shooters so any tragic similar event might not happen again.

There are always going to be those that doubt your story. Or there will be those that embrace it. I am sure the parent company BPIwill do their best to cloud over the fact or even suggest that something is not true. But hang in there.

I shoot CVA rifles, both inline and traditional. I've put hundreds of rounds through the rifles and they work perfect. Why your rifle decided to blow will be disputed between many for years to come. But again, I do thank you for your willingness to bring this to the attention of the muzzleloading population. Please keep us informed if there is any technical information that is brought to light in the up coming investigation.

Again let me express that any injury I consider serious, those you suffered did not have a life ending story to them. Thanks for sharing the fact of the incident. And I wish you a very speedy recovery.

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once....

did you reload right after or did you reload after a couple hours when you went to shoot and she went kaboom?

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cayugad...you are right I was offered a new optima elite in a 45-70 or a new accura,my choice just to send my gun back and not ask any questions about what happened or why it happened.Instead I give up the majority of my season to let my ears heal and to get my story out before they do decide to deal with my hearing and tell me to hush.but I believe you are right it don't happen all the time and all guns don't blow up but if the ones that do are not told about and just paid-off no-one will ever know and that is what any gun company wants is no-one to know they had even one of their guns to blow.I like you have shot CVA guns since I could hold one up all the way back to the #11 sidelocks and like you and most anybody else have not had problems until now.I have not talked to the direct person but have heard of one other optima that blew,thinking this one was from michigan but not for sure.whoevermy letting people know what happened offends all I can say is I'M SORRY for anyone else I hope thisis helpful the topic wasCVA DANGEROUS? tommy

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Detective gander on the case.

Steve

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I was huntimg reloaded after smoke cleared so i could see if i hit deer or not first about 30-45 seconds did not shoot again till i got home about two hours later,i don't take loadedsmokepoles in the housefor night