"He could never argue velocity and trajectory" maybe he simply did not WANT to.

Mike, there is NO doubt that a 300 grain Nosler such as you use hunting is going to deliver a tremendous punch and expend its energy in a very effective way. I also had a friend years ago that, like you, was a far better shot at a moving target than one which was idle.Randy was a AAA rated skeet shooter in a former life (in Mississippi)and I guess he thought he was still shooting a scattergun when a rifle wasat his shoulder. We hunted quite a lot together (in Idaho as a matter of fact) and burned up a few thousand rounds of 30-06 reloads shooting jack rabbits out west of Idaho Falls.

If the rabbit ran,Randy was likely to nail the critter out to 200 yards or so. But let that rabbit sit at any appreciable distance and Randy would miss! Let it stop at 200 yards and the rabbit was usually dead from the recoil on my shoulder. We were a fairly deadly pair and kept trying, but we never did make a noticable dent in the rabbit population. What a hoot!!

We had a fairly nice apartment which we shared with another fellow from Wisconsin. We set up a reloading station in one of the living room closets and something like 4000 large rifle primers were laying on/in the carpet in that closet. The fellow from Wisconsin (Jeff Towers - do you know him Dave? ) was going out with a local girl whose dad operated an apartment cleaning business (Jeff married that gal later.) Were we lucky, er whut!?

UC

Idaho Falls! please do not tell me you went to Idaho State University.... I realize that it is in Poky but that is a hop-skip-& jump from IF...

or

Were you working for the Atomic Energy Commision in IF? that could also splain alot...

UC, I think he just took a shot, with real boolits, at both of us there. That really hurts!!!!

shuddup, boff o u! Mike, do you mean the extra body growths?

Dat aint reely funnee.

No, I was working for you via the US Navy. Didn't you know about the nuke subs surfacing out there in the high desert? Most of the locals did.

UC - Cdad

I thought it was a pretty good shot across both bows - as soon I could get UC to splain he was tied up with the nuclear program - I could have put you both is the same barrel and then splaining you 2 and your mutations wood hav been easy....

I was in da Navy too - started out to be an atomic submarineer but it didn't work out thay wanted to add an extra couple of years to my obligation cause of the 4 years I spent in the Navy - I spent 2yeard 3 months in different electonic schools and day was worryed dey wernt gonna git da moneys worth...

I am from Boise - I new about those desert submarines and even theones up here in the north from a very early age...

Spent 8 years, 4 months, and 10 days in the Navy. EM1(SS), turned down the chief's exam because there was no way I was going to stay in for a career.

Whut wuz we tawkin bout?

How bad sabots suck?

Cdad

Actually they do not now days... maybe way back when the Chinese first invented them, back there right after they invented black powder, when they were made of wood maybe they could and would suck... but today since they are made of Polymere they shed water and have no suction qualities at all...

But that still does not change the fact that a most moderncopper clad or solid copper bullets will out performa solid lead projectile, of near the same caliber, over a wider range of varibles in the real world today.

In the past and at one time the conical was king, but then again so was France, in the past and at one time - actually France was more than once -that is even better than the conical.

Unlike you I do not believe conicals suck, they are not even bad but the fact remains you just get better overall all-around performance in all conditions from a different type of bullet. And that was the whole drift of my discussion - case you missed that one... Not whether it came from a ML or a Centerfire.

We could have this same discussion about your Swiss and my use of T7. New things happen, the world is not static although often I wish it were. Technology is making us old long before our time.

See ya!

U guyz are ALL nutz....

chief

Not me jis dem - dey certifyd - 2 many protons/neutrons -whar dey taint asapose 2 b - wors awhen dey git togedder - eemissions begin 2 begin.