Cdad

Actually they do not now days... maybe way back when the Chinese first invented them, back there right after they invented black powder, when they were made of wood maybe they could and would suck... but today since they are made of Polymere they shed water and have no suction qualities at all...

But that still does not change the fact that a most moderncopper clad or solid copper bullets will out performa solid lead projectile, of near the same caliber, over a wider range of varibles in the real world today.

In the past and at one time the conical was king, but then again so was France, in the past and at one time - actually France was more than once -that is even better than the conical.

Unlike you I do not believe conicals suck, they are not even bad but the fact remains you just get better overall all-around performance in all conditions from a different type of bullet. And that was the whole drift of my discussion - case you missed that one... Not whether it came from a ML or a Centerfire.

We could have this same discussion about your Swiss and my use of T7. New things happen, the world is not static although often I wish it were. Technology is making us old long before our time.

See ya!