This is what is said over on Cabela's product web site:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=MainCatcat20712-cat200005_TGP-cat200005-cat200005_TGP-cat200005&id=0020977215067a&navCount=4&amp ;podId=0020977215067&parentId=cat200005&ma sterpathid=&navAction=push&catalogCode=IH& amp;rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat20000 5&hasJS=true











1 out of 5 [/align]T/C Shockwave Review, January 4, 2007
By OneShotScott from Yorkshire, NY
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"These bullets group at sub 1" groups at 100 yards in my .50 MDM Buckwacka using 110gr FFg 777 powder. Great if your shooting paper, but poor real-world performance for me.

This years (2006) hunting results:

Shot a doe broadside at 20-25 yards (I was standing on the ground, so It was a straight shot) in the left side and she ran 40 yards on her face. Why her face? Because my shot broke both front legs and punched a hole thru her lungs. The bullet didn't expand and it disinegrated upon hitting the right leg. The bullet punched a perfect pencil sized hole straight thru everything. With a light rain and close to quiting time, thank goodness her legs got broke as I know this deer would have disappeared into the thick of everything and lost.

Shot a 4 point buck at 30 yards out of a stand. Watched the deer run across a 230 yard field down ito a ravine where I found it. Hit was high right shoulder and out the front chest. Again, just a pencil size hole thru and thru."






T/C Shockwave Sabots, November 30, 2006
By rburris from Malvern, AR
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"The sabots group very well on paper. I have not had good luck deer hunting with them. I shot a small doe and she never acted like she was even hit. I recovered her 75yrds down the trail. The bullet did not appear to have expanded on the exit wound."





Shock waves, November 24, 2006
By Crazybowhunter from Brookston, IN
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"I was very pleased with the accuracy of the shock wave with 100 grains of powder behind them. I however have shot two (possibly three) deer with them. I could not find any blood on the two I found. The last one i shot ran four hundred yards with a direct vital shot on her. Still not completely satified."





thompson center shockwave, November 22, 2006
By daveyboy1621 from goodells,michigan
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"i shot four white tails 2006 season. i found my 8 & 6 pointers. i shot them at about 60 yards. the 8 pointer threw the front shoulders ran about 60 yards with no hair or blood. 6 pointer threw the lungs no hair or blood for about 70 yrds. on opening evening in the rain i hit a 8 pointer on a go away shot. i hit him on the white and brown stomach line left side came out between front legs. this deer ran at least 40 yards. with no blood and maybe 25 strands of white hair. myself and my son and neighbor searched for almost 6 hours in the light rain in a corn and hay field. four hoof prints of blood thats all. i found this 8 pointer five days later in the hay field. my second deer i lost i shot him about 30 yards in my hay field standing still side shot. i watched him run threw a 20 acre bean field. and not a drop of blood. not till he reached the 10 acre hard woods three shots of blood thats all. i tracked him to a river bottom and lost him threw the water. very little gray hair where i shot him on my two track. thompson center shockwave have no thump or shock not happy. i shoot my knight inline off and on all year long. not happy with tc shockwaves. 100 grain triple sevin pellets. not the only person with this reaction to tc shockwave when shooting a deer.( my brother 2006 season )"



please make up your own mind. Now read what is said about Barnes Expanders:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=MainCatcat20712-cat200005_TGP-cat200005-cat200005_TGP&id=0037633216146a&navCount=3 &podId=0037633&parentId=cat200005&mast erpathid=&navAction=push&catalogCode=IH&am p;rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat200005& amp;hasJS=true



If you follow the words about what people say about SW, you will find this theme over and over.
You won't find any negative info on hit game and no blood trails with Expanders.
That is my point that I was trying to make. YOUR hunting experience is different.
Sorry I push your SW button. These thread on bullet performance always leads to wars.
Chap Gleason

i was watching a TC show some nights ago and they were using the shockwaves and i was not impressed with the bullets performance at all. All of the deer they shot ran a couple hundred yards.

Went to the site and they are rated 4 out of 5.

Read the one for the Hornady SST-rated 4.7 out of 5. Same bullet.

i am a creature of habit. i find something that works for me andstay with it. SST bullets work very well for me. A hog standing still and unbothered is usuallyas hardto kill that an adrenalinzed buck deer.Have shot hogs from 25 to 200 yards with the SST bullet. Nearly all were bang flops. Never had one go over 25 yards after being hit. Ditto for deer.

It is my experience that if you can't hit them right they do not die right. Your mileage may vary.

This is not a war.

Agree 100%, accuracy and bullet placement are #1, but if you miss your Point of Aim and hit bad, then penetration becomes king of the shot. For a bullet to do it's job it must hit the vitals, which is heart lung area. If stopped from doing that, it becomes a penetration game, so using this logic the best penetrating bullet that is the most accurate is the best killer--bang flop--that is what your looking for.

Right, we are not in a war, the war is of words, not guns, and a lotta folks get heated up about their pet bullet, just as you did by me calling your bullet a "non-expander".For you theyexpand, forothers they don't, why? Didn't hit anything solid? Shot too fast? At least they don't fragment, which in my view is the worst of all--noor little penetration.
Chap Gleason

Read the "product reviews on PB" over at Cabelas. This is telling:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=MainCatcat20712-cat200005&id=0012630214373a&navCount=3&amp ;podId=0012630214373&parentId=cat200005&ma sterpathid=&navAction=push&catalogCode=IH& amp;rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat20000 5&hasJS=true






no blood trail, December 13, 2006
By DeerCountry from central Illinois
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"This is my second season and 4th deer shot with power belts. Extremely accurate and easy to load and use...the problem, they fragment so much on impact they do not pass through. Penetration is poor. Last year I shot a buck quartering away. It dropped in it's tracks. Small hole in skin, almost 3 inch hole in ENTRANCE rib side. Nothing but very small lead and copper pieces in chest. No exit wound. Later in season, doe quartering toward me and same result. Dropped in it's tracks. I thought the bullet must have caught a bone the wrong way and fragmented too much. But with two deer in my freezer I put the anomaly out of my mind. This year, buck quartering toward me. Perfect bullet placement. I watched it run about 50 yards and fall. Fragmentation. No deep penetration. No exit wound. No blood trail. I thought it just fraged from big body mass. Later a doe broadside, perfect bullet placement behind shoulder. No blood trail. Late afternoon and searched for hours into night with flashlights. Found next day by search pattern. Bullet only touched ribs and fragmented. No exit wound. I was in tree stand so entrance was higher on chest with no way for reliable blood trail. I will not hunt with these again. Most of these positive reviews are range experience not hunting experience. They do not hold together enough. To hunt with them you better hope you see the animal drop because you will not have a blood trail to follow."


There are 4 or 5 storieslike this on Cabelas. My conclusion is they fragment, sometimes and since I am paying $1/bullet I think I would try another. If I read about a bullet, and there are no horror stories, and folks like it for it accuracy and killing power, then it is good bullet. Example Nosler Partition, Gold Dot Speer, Barnes (almost any kind).
My experiense with the PBs is they fragment if pushed with 3 pellets, my opinion only your mileage will and does vary.

Chap Gleason

I shoot a CVA Optima and was shooting 2 50 grain pyrodex pellets and power bellet bullets. They shot awesome at 50 yards but like a scatter gun at 100 yards. This year I will be shooting hornady sst and 3 50 grain pellets.

Most of your CF knowledge and experience is going to transfer straight over to MLing only the bullets are a lot slower and bigger, but I believe they kill better and faster thanmy 30-06CFbecause ofbullet size, expansion and mass/energy. They are very effective guns to 100 yards for most people and 150 yards for some people and if you shoot a Savage 10ML and a high BC bullet you can get 200 yards pretty easy with over 1000 fpe. Chap Gleason

Yep, they are excellent bullets from all reports. If your gun likes them, they are an excellent bullet, only the TMZ beats it. Chap Gleason

nosler partitions 260/300gr are supurb! only problenm is at around $15 per. 10 bullets, you might need to call the bank!

I agree with you, they are superb. I use them in my Omega and Knight Disc and have had great results with them, they expand perfect, go thru (the 300g) and it is usually boom flop. Chap Gleason