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Doegirl75 05-12-2007 05:56 PM

RE: Savage 10 ML
 
You know, I never really thought about the "dirtyness" of my rifle. I guess I expected it to be dirty, since I clean about every 40 shots and I don't swab in between.:D My cleaning routine is a little different: 1. remove the bolt and breechplug. 2. put a hoppes soaked patch on a long handled breech plug breech and clean out the breech with as many wet patches as necessary (2-3 usually). 2. Run 2-3 soaked hoppes patches from the breech out the muzzle. Let the gun sit for 15 minutes while I tend to the breech plug. 3. use dry patches wrapped around the breechplug brush and clean out breech. 4. wrap dry patches around a bore brush and run through the bore until clean. 5. A patch of Breakfree CLP and I'm done.

gleason.chapman 05-12-2007 06:17 PM

RE: Savage 10 ML
 

ORIGINAL: Doegirl75

You know, I never really thought about the "dirtyness" of my rifle. I guess I expected it to be dirty, since I clean about every 40 shots and I don't swab in between.:D My cleaning routine is a little different: 1. remove the bolt and breechplug. 2. put a hoppes soaked patch on a long handled breech plug breech and clean out the breech with as many wet patches as necessary (2-3 usually). 2. Run 2-3 soaked hoppes patches from the breech out the muzzle. Let the gun sit for 15 minutes while I tend to the breech plug. 3. use dry patches wrapped around the breechplug brush and clean out breech. 4. wrap dry patches around a bore brush and run through the bore until clean. 5. A patch of Breakfree CLP and I'm done.
Thanks I will copy this to a .Doc file since they don't cover it in the manual. Chap Gleason

Redclub 05-14-2007 02:42 PM

RE: Savage 10 ML
 
Chap,Those patches are quite a bit dirtier than I get, however I am not shooting 5744,rumor has it that 5744 is dirtier but very ignitable and the only powder that can be measured. My Savage loads very hard with a 458
Barnes original with a orange sabot over 60 grains of VV120, kicks is substantial but accuracy is great.

Redclub

rhans53 05-14-2007 04:01 PM

RE: Savage 10 ML
 
don't give up on those crushed rib sabots quite yet. Get some .458 bullets and give them ago, either remington or hornady, they both shoot about the same out of mine.

gleason.chapman 05-14-2007 05:32 PM

RE: Savage 10 ML
 

ORIGINAL: rhans53

don't give up on those crushed rib sabots quite yet. Get some .458 bullets and give them ago, either remington or hornady, they both shoot about the same out of mine.
I have about 6 packages of them, because I shoot them in my other 3 ML rifles---Knight Disc, TC FL and TC Omega. I will get some of the 458 and give them a try.Thanks for your post. Chap

gleason.chapman 05-14-2007 05:39 PM

RE: Savage 10 ML
 

ORIGINAL: Redclub

Chap,Those patches are quite a bit dirtier than I get, however I am not shooting 5744,rumor has it that 5744 is dirtier but very ignitable and the only powder that can be measured. My Savage loads very hard with a 458
Barnes original with a orange sabot over 60 grains of VV120, kicks is substantial but accuracy is great.

Redclub
Redclub,
I thought the same thing that this seemed "pretty dirty" for a smokeless powder, but never having shot the 5744 I had no idea how dirty it really was. I also thought it was still pretty dirty after 12 patches, but again I have no reference to what is good or acceptable with this powder.
I am using the Lee Dipper that have a little slide rule that tell you what dip give you what grains. I bought a Lee scale, but I have not tried to use it yet, because I need something to calibrate the thing with. What do you use to make sure the scale is accurate? Thank you for your feedback.
Chap

Etienne Brule 05-29-2007 08:59 AM

RE: Savage 10 ML
 
Hi,

I also clean the breechplug with a 5 / 32 drill ( with hands, not the electric drill ).

Here is what I got WITH IMR-SR-4759, 46.5 grains with Hornady 250SST bullet,MMP black sabot, win 209 primer.

At 100 meters, scope not centered (done for checking the grouping):


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I got 2200 fps with that recipe.


Etienne Brule

gleason.chapman 05-29-2007 12:28 PM

RE: Savage 10 ML
 

ORIGINAL: Etienne Brule

Hi,

I also clean the breechplug with a 5 / 32 drill ( with hands, not the electric drill ).

Here is what I got WITH IMR-SR-4759, 46.5 grains with Hornady 250SST bullet,MMP black sabot, win 209 primer.

At 100 meters, scope not centered (done for checking the grouping):





I got 2200 fps with that recipe.


Etienne Brule
Wow, beautiful. I have some SSTs, but have not shot them yet. I know they are accurate, cause I have shot them in my Disc and Omega, but I could't load them--the Crushed rib had not been invented yet. I have been working with the 'factory recommendation' of 300g Hornady XTP and 41.3g of 5744, just to get the gun shooting right--doesn't cost that much. I can hit with them, but not like your drillin'. I am still learning about this rifle and expecially trigger pull, a lot different from any other rifle I have shot. I like the recoil, not that bad. Are you saying that the 4759 powder is better, causeI have no clue. How long did it take you to work that group up, 50 shots, 20 shots, 100 shots? Chap Gleason


Red Lion 05-29-2007 02:30 PM

RE: Savage 10 ML
 

ORIGINAL: gleason.chapman


ORIGINAL: Etienne Brule

Hi,

I also clean the breechplug with a 5 / 32 drill ( with hands, not the electric drill ).

Here is what I got WITH IMR-SR-4759, 46.5 grains with Hornady 250SST bullet,MMP black sabot, win 209 primer.

At 100 meters, scope not centered (done for checking the grouping):





I got 2200 fps with that recipe.


Etienne Brule
Wow, beautiful. I have some SSTs, but have not shot them yet. I know they are accurate, cause I have shot them in my Disc and Omega, but I could't load them--the Crushed rib had not been invented yet. I have been working with the 'factory recommendation' of 300g Hornady XTP and 41.3g of 5744, just to get the gun shooting right--doesn't cost that much. I can hit with them, but not like your drillin'. I am still learning about this rifle and expecially trigger pull, a lot different from any other rifle I have shot. I like the recoil, not that bad. Are you saying that the 4759 powder is better, causeI have no clue. How long did it take you to work that group up, 50 shots, 20 shots, 100 shots? Chap Gleason

5744 is a good and very safe powder, but more of a starter powder than anything. I am not saying that you could not use and be completely satisfied, but there are other powders that will give better performance. I have been using the IMR 4759, 44-45 grns with MMP sabots and 250 SST's and getting moa @ 100 yards. I had heard that this load will get you about 2300 fps. I have also used IMR 4198 in the 66-68 grn range with the same bullet, sabot and subbase, but it has a stout kick and I was having sabot shredding in warmer, over 50 degree weather. This load will get you in the neighborhood of 2550 fps.
I posted the best link regarding Savage ML specific issues, questions guidance in case you have not already been hitting it, as you will get any and all questions answered there.
Good luck and have fun.

http://dougva.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=Savage


gleason.chapman 05-29-2007 06:08 PM

RE: Savage 10 ML
 

ORIGINAL: Red Lion

5744 is a good and very safe powder, but more of a starter powder than anything. I am not saying that you could not use and be completely satisfied, but there are other powders that will give better performance. I have been using the IMR 4759, 44-45 grns with MMP sabots and 250 SST's and getting moa @ 100 yards. I had heard that this load will get you about 2300 fps. I have also used IMR 4198 in the 66-68 grn range with the same bullet, sabot and subbase, but it has a stout kick and I was having sabot shredding in warmer, over 50 degree weather. This load will get you in the neighborhood of 2550 fps.
I posted the best link regarding Savage ML specific issues, questions guidance in case you have not already been hitting it, as you will get any and all questions answered there.
Good luck and have fun.

http://dougva.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=Savage

Yes, I have been on the site and printed some info to PDF.Why do you call it a "safe powder", what do you mean by that? Thanks Chap



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