I'd like to try some swiss too but none of the powder dealers in this part of Idaho stock it. KIK and GOEX is all that is availble in black powder.

I just got done shooting a couple pounds of KIK in a number of different rifles. I do not have the ability to test velocity of loads because I am too cheap to get a chronograph. It did seem to have some very good power, judging by recoil. A friend who shot some over a chronograph claimed it is more powerful then Goex. But to be honest, over all it is a filthy powder to shoot. I had more crud in the barrel shoot KIK then any other powder I can remember. Now granted I got some great accuracy, and it swabbed out easy, but the fowling was something I noted in a number of different rifles.

I was going to purchase another case of Goex but many places are out of the powder or have the prices increased almost 40% from what they used to be.

Swiss is another good powder but I do not find the additional cost of the powder worth the the difference between Goex. Of course now with Goex going way up in price, perhaps a few dollars more a pound for Swiss is a good deal.

Dave, Why is the price of gorex going up so much? Is the thing I saw about them having a fire there the reason?

[:@]Hey if we repete inlines are evil enought maybe that will make the people stuck with those boat anchors in New Idea Ho feel better.
Oh I keep forgetting they are not value derated cause they can be used instead of the 7mm mag and 300 Mag you have for center fire season.
[&:]Just lump all the fire arm seasons together and hunt with what ya own or want.

Al

There is a guy that has a small gun shop 30 miles south of Walla Walla that I got my Swiss from. The last time I talked to him, he was getting more and more requests for it. Let me know if you want his phone number. May be able to find out where he gets it and talk one of your local guys into buying some.

Cayugad, when I looked at the price of Swiss, it just doesn't make much of a difference in my case. I don't shoot NEAR as much as you do. I spend more on gas, getting to where I am going to shoot than I do on the powder that I shoot when I get there. To this point, I haven't been able to do a lot of different testing either, but maybe in the future.

OK, back on topic. Sure wish Mr. BrutalAttack would share some more info. I imagine that he must be in all those meetings.

Just spoke with a receptionist at F&G, she said that the only thing the commission had done was change some of the seasons from ML to short range weapons seasons, but did not modify the proposed requirements for ML. I left a v-mail for Brad Compton to confirm, but at this point, it does not look good for inlines in the 2007 regulations.

That's too bad. It looks like you have to go over their heads to the Governor and start sending e-mails etc about how unfair you feel this is. Basically point out to him that his attention in this matter will be remembered come the next election.

Yoter

I am not sure... I really did not think that they would step back from the what they had already written up and prepared - politically that really would not look good, but if the have created some "short range" seasons that could be OK... With in the "short range" season they would be allowing what they were really getting pressure for and that was modern inline hunts with 209's and scopes....

What I envision they have done, and no way of knowing this for sure, they have done away with the 3 season capabilities of Idaho - Traditional, ML, and short range in favor of a ML and SR season. We, to the best of my knowledge, have never had a SR season up here in Northern Idaho and like wise not a Traditional ML season.

When all the dust settles and the seasons are published the commission my have heard more than we give them credit for. Sure wish I could see the new map and season dates... If they did make what changes I am and have proposed - economically it could be a boost for Idaho hunters, not the jolt in the butt it was going to be...

Let's hope....

Goex increased over $4.00 a pound, when you buy 10 pounds at a time. It might have something to do with the fire they had at one of their plants. Its a good thing I bought ten more pounds of Goex after the fire before the price increase. I still have about five pounds left from all I had stashed.

I might give Graf Black Powder a try. I have heard it is a good powder. Never shot it, but it is made by Wano in Germany I was told. The same people that make Schuetzen powder. So this should be a good powder. Even if I get ten pounds to hold me over until Goex readjusts themselves.