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ORIGINAL: sabotloader lemoyne Another 2 cents... so I am up to four cents... At the velocities that we are shooting ML bullets I really like the HP bullet. I shoot Nosler 260 grain HP's for deer (whitetail/muleys) and a 300 grain Protected Point (essentually aflat point)for Elk. I have shot a couple of deer with the 300 and it passes right through - creates a wound channel and the deer is deer is dead - he/she is just not sure of it yet.... and will do the really quick low to the ground run until they are dead.. Now with the 260 the petals open up almost immediately open hitting the skin - now as that thing passes through it creats one heck of a hydrosatic shock - the vitals are mushed - red jelly... again the deer is dead but this time the deer knows on the spot something is drasticallywrong (this is real shock) - so wrong it can not even muster up the adrennalin (sp) to get much of a run. All of this is theory because I have never recovered a Nosler - in factI don't think I have ever recovered one from a centerfire harvest either. HP's really work for me but in fact so do soft points - I just use the measure of internal damage as the deciding factor. he said deer would go right down with shot behind shoulder..bullet would not come out other side.. then i got gun and started reloading, i used the 100 gr speer..guess what, i would hit deer behind shoulder and the buck would run,not far.. SO, i went back to the 87 gr.speer..guess what?every deer i shot went right down, like they were tripped.. could 13 grs of bullet be that much of diffference?YOU BET.. its same, i feel with powerbelt light bullets pushed fast..they mostly likely will knock deer down in their tracks BUT ,how many hunters can shoot a muzzleloader and place bullet behind shoulder? that seems to me to be biggest question.. good shot will put in behind shoulder,that person could use light, fast powerbelt..others, no way..they are hitting shoulders, back , hips, stomach etc.. i seen many at range this year that were terrible shots with powerbelts..all were using LIGHT powerbelts also, not 1 was using heavy powerbelt..these are same ones that are making 150 yds or more shots on the deer and most likely are wounding them..they dont PRACTICE.. they had so much powder in their guns, that i had to go get air, i could not breath with all smoke..their guns kicked so hard, they shot all over targets.. most think HOTTER is better than medium load..and with wrong bullets,light powerbelt,you can see why all storys are happening.. i feel that company should make it known thatlight bullets should only be used on varmints and heavy ones for deer etc.. that would help a lot.. |
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Sproulman,
In response to this: "then they could say on other box,HEY SPROUL, IF YOU USE IN-LINE,HIGH VELOCITY, HERE IS OUR NEW PLATINUM BULLET..they will not blow -up..i dont know if the new bullets blow up,but,if they dont, thats way i would sell the bullets.. " The Platinum bullet is just the same "elongated round ball" with a different thin Platinum coating instead of a thin Copper Coating. My brother hit a large buck on opening day in the front shoulder at 60 yards with a Platinum PB, 348g. It blew hide off the deer, lots of hair and and left several fragements of the bullet on the ground in the leaves for a "blood trail". We never recovered the deer, my brother was 'very very angry" about their terminal performance, so he sent the fragements and all his extra PBs back to CVA and said "make a better bullet'. If CVA, the makers of PBs, bond their jacket to the bullet and make the bullet stronger, like their dangerous game bullet and sell it for $1 each, then they got something for a hunting bullet. Everybody recommendsPBs because they are so easy to load and they are accurate as heck--very very accurate,but CVAdoesn't say "use only in the hunting situations where you have clear rib shots on big game, they will NOT penetrate large boned game if hit in the shoulder, they will wound the game and you will NOT recover it". Sort of like the cigarette warnings, "Caution CVA PBsshould be shot for the ribs only, they are an expanding HP bullet, designedtoexpand on impact, causing it famous devistation". I think that would hurt sales, therefore they won't do it. I know they work for you, and that is great. Chap Gleason VA |
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ORIGINAL: sproulman good shot will put in behind shoulder,that person could use light, fast powerbelt..others, no way..they are hitting shoulders, back , hips, stomach etc.. Chap Gleason Va. |
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not even the big heavy great plains bullet can pass through both shoulders, as i found out. I feel the best way and quickest way to dropan animal is with a lung/heart shot. You think back in the old days, hunters went for a shoulder shot on a buffalo? heck no, you go for a lung shot, the lungs fill with blood and its dead. No wasted meat, guaranted a dead animal at the end of the trail. Not everyone can use sabots and not every gun will get groups with a conical bullet. Once you find something that gives you good accuracy, even if its a light bullet, a lung/heart shot is going to bring that animal down a lot faster than a bullet that cant punch through bone. And my first year hunting, i found that maxi-balls in the rifle i was shooting, grouped great, 3" at 100 yards in my old .45 rifle. But i was really mad when i found out these bullets were not mushrooming in 2 deer i shot. Heck the buck i finally did shoot at 35 yards in the ribs, didnt even make a pass through.Thankfully the next year is when the powerbelts came out. By then i had got a cva staghorn as an replacement to my .45. Lung shots in my book are by far the best shot placements on deer/elk. i read somewhere in this thead earlier that someone said, You cant always get good accuracy to put the bullet behind the shoulder. Why not? If you can hit the shoulder bone, thats a harder target to hit than the big lung area. This shoulder bone/lung/heart subject is simply just opinions. In my mind, you may break its shoulder but what if that bullet doesnt work on how you thought it would? Wouldnt it have been safer to go for a lung/heart or even a neck shot and put that animal down? I love the 245 powerbelts, those suckers in my rifles have dropped dear like a giant hand swatted them. In truth, i dont really think its going to matter what type of bullet you are using. If you cant place the shot where it needs to be, that animal may just be wounded badly. Next year im going to try a shoulder shot on a deer with a 295 and report back. We've had collar bone shot deer and they drop. All our deer lastyear with powerbelts were pass through, all except one and that was my 385 grain great plains bullet that didnt even make a dent on the other shoulder blade.
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ORIGINAL: sabotloader lemoyne Another 2 cents... so I am up to four cents... At the velocities that we are shooting ML bullets I really like the HP bullet. I shoot Nosler 260 grain HP's for deer (whitetail/muleys) and a 300 grain Protected Point (essentually aflat point)for Elk. I have shot a couple of deer with the 300 and it passes right through - creates a wound channel and the deer is deer is dead - he/she is just not sure of it yet.... and will do the really quick low to the ground run until they are dead.. Now with the 260 the petals open up almost immediately open hitting the skin - now as that thing passes through it creats one heck of a hydrosatic shock - the vitals are mushed - red jelly... again the deer is dead but this time the deer knows on the spot something is drasticallywrong (this is real shock) - so wrong it can not even muster up the adrennalin (sp) to get much of a run. All of this is theory because I have never recovered a Nosler - in factI don't think I have ever recovered one from a centerfire harvest either. HP's really work for me but in fact so do soft points - I just use the measure of internal damage as the deciding factor. Here is a 300g Nosler HG JPP taken from a 6 point buck shot in the front thru the brisket at 40 yards. The bullet travel all the way to the end of the buck and I found it between his legs when I started to gut him. It lost 0 weight and was a perfect mushroom---a "thing of beauty". The chest cavity was jelly. Your right, they shoot thrudeer if you hit them in the ribs, leaving a good blood trail and the internal parts are jelly. As for terminal performance, the Noslerscan't be beat. Chap Gleason Va  |
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ORIGINAL: frontier gander not even the big heavy great plains bullet can pass through both shoulders, as i found out. I feel the best way and quickest way to dropan animal is with a lung/heart shot. You think back in the old days, hunters went for a shoulder shot on a buffalo? heck no, you go for a lung shot, the lungs fill with blood and its dead. No wasted meat, guaranted a dead animal at the end of the trail. Not everyone can use sabots and not every gun will get groups with a conical bullet. Once you find something that gives you good accuracy, even if its a light bullet, a lung/heart shot is going to bring that animal down a lot faster than a bullet that cant punch through bone. And my first year hunting, i found that maxi-balls in the rifle i was shooting, grouped great, 3" at 100 yards in my old .45 rifle. But i was really mad when i found out these bullets were not mushrooming in 2 deer i shot. Heck the buck i finally did shoot at 35 yards in the ribs, didnt even make a pass through.Thankfully the next year is when the powerbelts came out. By then i had got a cva staghorn as an replacement to my .45. Lung shots in my book are by far the best shot placements on deer/elk. i read somewhere in this thead earlier that someone said, You cant always get good accuracy to put the bullet behind the shoulder. Why not? If you can hit the shoulder bone, thats a harder target to hit than the big lung area. This shoulder bone/lung/heart subject is simply just opinions. In my mind, you may break its shoulder but what if that bullet doesnt work on how you thought it would? Wouldnt it have been safer to go for a lung/heart or even a neck shot and put that animal down? I love the 245 powerbelts, those suckers in my rifles have dropped dear like a giant hand swatted them. In truth, i dont really think its going to matter what type of bullet you are using. If you cant place the shot where it needs to be, that animal may just be wounded badly. Next year im going to try a shoulder shot on a deer with a 295 and report back. We've had collar bone shot deer and they drop. All our deer lastyear with powerbelts were pass through, all except one and that was my 385 grain great plains bullet that didnt even make a dent on the other shoulder blade. You asked "why not get good accracy on placing the bullet behind the front shoulder". My response is, I don't hit where I aim every time, most of the time yes, all of the time no.The further out the game, the worst my aim and my hit. I think it is like that for most people, the don't try to hit the shoulder but crap happens and they do hit the shoulder, so I need a bullet that will penetrate the shoulder on a deer. My brother AIMED for the front shoulder, this year,with his new Platimum PBs, 348g, thinking they were stronger better than the old PBs and the deer was only 50/60 yards. He hit the shoulder right were he aimed and the bullet blew the hide off the shoulder and left fragements of the bullet, hide and hair on the ground. He never recoved the deer, because there was NO blood trail to follow. Chap Gleason VA |
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Well it looks like you guys have this thread completely under control. That's good too, cuz I'm all outa pennies.
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from what i am reading from all you folks, the powerbelt is made soft so the bullet fills into grooves in bore when shot..
i think someone had picture of powerbelt with groove marks on it after recovered.. someone corrected me on this that if powerbelt is built HARDER,it will not hug the grooves,which will cause accuracy to suffer.. my 295 went thru the buck,side to side at 20 yds..i wish i would have taken picture of ribs on both sides..i think the bullet did not hit bone,it went between both side ribs..i am going to learn how to put pictures on here also, if my camcorder does it.. i load medium on my hawkins flintlock, 80 grs 2f.. i may go to the 348 pb next year and if lucky, will see what it does on a buck..bucks are getting tough to get,i was lucky, i feel this year with number of hunters in woods here in pa. and LACK OF DEER.. without knowing a lot about pb bullets, i do feel they will work fine if used with medium loads,but i could be wrong there also.. boy, when i used 370 maxi-balls,you never had to worry about bullet coming out the other side..i shot buck ,oh, 15 years ago running, yes, i make boo boo too..i shot him right thru front shoulder.. he crashed right down..i went over and bullet went into shoulder on side,i then rolled him over, and exit hole was out the other shoulder.. i dont think i would want to shoot a buck with powerbelt on running deer and in shoulder..we used to drive bucks then and most of your shots then, were running.. i have stopped that now,as i am by myself,sit all day,and buck usually comes walking by, if lucky..so, i only shoot now at calm deer.. good info you folks have on here, good job!! |
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Thanks for all the excellent information on the different bullets and powder loads. I am new to this forum and have learned more from this one post than in the last 5 years. You guys are great and I really appreciate you sharing your wealth of information.
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ORIGINAL: Pglasgow Well it looks like you guys have this thread completely under control. That's good too, cuz I'm all outa pennies. Please join in, we won't charge ya the pennies! As for the thread being "completely under control", for the moment that is true, but my gosh there are a lot of PB users out in the USA, and they all gotta learn the limits of their bulletthe limits of their gun/load or the limits of themselves. All 3 are big factors. Chap Gleason Va |
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