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RE: Powerbelt Disintegrates
the 245 gr PB does an awsome job on coyote out of my Omega it blew him wide open of course with 150gr load nothing came out the far side. A lot of this is relative if you only push them with 70 gr they mushroom nicely at 150gr they are a varmit bullet. Lee
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ORIGINAL: gleason.chapman ORIGINAL: sproulman i used 295 powerbelt in my .50 cal flintlock t/c hawkins..i got a huge 8 point buck, biggest one in 50 years on weight/spread of horns.. i shot him behind shoulder at 20 yds ..he fell right down..bullet went thru both sides.. i may goto 348 next year,but that bullet worked fine.. i believe that any hollow point bullet is not good if you hit shoulder on hip etc..so, if you are that type of hunter, DONT USE A POWERBELT.. i ALWAYS shoot behind shoulder or buck WALKS..so, powerbelt is good one for me.. NOW, if i was type of hunter that shoots at running deer or at angle etc.. no way i would use a POWERBELT..i would use a MAXI-BALL.. so, it comes down to type of hunter you are,use ole sprouls thinking, been at it for 50 years and 36 of it with a flintlock..been there done it.. i like powerbelt best now because i dont have to mess with BORE BUTTER at 10 above zero.. Your number 1 criteria is ease of loading in very cold weather, which the PBs do nicely. But don't ever miss your mark with those 50 years of hunting experience eyes, you will not like what the PB does, it wounds the animal and gives you a miserable"flashback" to what you could do differently--been there done that myself. Please review this bullet performance site for ML: http://www.snipersparadise.com/tsmag/July03/july03.htm and this chart: http://www.the-gleasons.com/TSD%20Wound%20Chart-MZ.htm I believe the Copper Magnum Black Belt is the PB with another name. Since your shooting a FL without a scope (my guess) and most of your shots are <=50 yards, the PBs will work fine for your experienced eyes, but can you honestly recommend them to a young hunter with a scoped in-line shooting off hand at a buck 120 yards away? All you have to do is read the threads on this Forum, and they speak for themselves. Chap Gleason VA if i was hunter that DOES not wait for good shot, i would NOT use powerbelts.. if i was hunter that shoots HOT LOADS,i would not use powerbelt.. if i was determined to use POWERBELT even tho i am a hunter that does the above,i would use nothing but the HEAVIEST powerbelt and reduce load down.. i shoot my t/c hawkins flintlock,.50 cal ,80 grs of geox 2f,295 pb hp,i shot buck at 20 yds and bullet went thru,side to side..this load or 70 grs shot best out of my hawkins.. i may go to 348 next year as this is almost same length as the 370 MAXI-BALL and it is heavier,i like that.. this is first year i used POWERBELT.i did it because i like to LOAD DOWN on my flintlock..best accuracy was always between 70/80 grs of 2f with my gun for 36 years..i dont like KICK, SMOKE, NOISE, FLINCHING,MEAT DAMAGE.. YOU CAN load DOWN not up with hollow point powerbelt,get best accuracy, which is LOWER,not higher,and know that the bullet WILL OPEN UP on deer.. man, thats best of both worlds in my book and why i like the powerbelt now.. also, no more bore butter to mess with in winter,i like that alot to.. |
RE: Powerbelt Disintegrates
ORIGINAL: lemoyne the 245 gr PB does an awsome job on coyote out of my Omega it blew him wide open of course with 150gr load nothing came out the far side. A lot of this is relative if you only push them with 70 gr they mushroom nicely at 150gr they are a varmit bullet. Lee |
RE: Powerbelt Disintegrates
"They shed their jacket, therefore loosing enery doing that instead of driving home, now the jacket doesn't weigh a lot, but if it gets shed it can't break bone as well as a Nosler, Barnes or otherbonded bullet. They are good, just not perfect."
Go to the 300 grain XTP Magnum. Gurantee that it will not shed the jacket at any M/L velocity. |
RE: Powerbelt Disintegrates
alsaqr
Go to the 300 grain XTP Magnum. Gurantee that it will not shed the jacket at any M/L velocity. My quote would be "got to the 300 grain XTP magnum, I believe I could gurantee them to be a stronger bullet than the Powerbelt" Here is a collection of Hornady's that have lost their jacket as compared to a Speer Gold Dot shot into the same medium.... Notice the Hornady jacket on the left, how complete it is other than it is missing its lead... non-the-less I truly believe the Hornady to be a better bullet than an elongated round ball with a very thin electroplated copper jacket...  |
RE: Powerbelt Disintegrates
ORIGINAL: sabotloader alsaqr Go to the 300 grain XTP Magnum. Gurantee that it will not shed the jacket at any M/L velocity. My quote would be "got to the 300 grain XTP magnum, I believe I could gurantee them to be a stronger bullet than the Powerbelt" Here is a collection of Hornady's that have lost their jacket as compared to a Speer Gold Dot shot into the same medium.... Notice the Hornady jacket on the left, how complete it is other than it is missing its lead... non-the-less I truly believe the Hornady to be a better bullet than an elongated round ball with a very thin electroplated copper jacket...
if powerbeltswere built like others you suggest, they would be fine.. hollow point made light like the powerbelt is going to blow up if pushed hard..if they were made HARDER even with hollow point, i think,only good guess ,they would hold together better at higher velocity.. if i was powerbelt company, i would make the powerbelt HARDER,let the hollow point alone and suggest on box that you dont shoot them at high velocity..i would use new platimium ones as the HIGH VELOCITY powerbelt.. so, they could say on box, hey sproul, here is our great bullet for your FLINTLOCKS ,they will open at LOW VELOCITY..i like low velocity in my flintlock as it shoots BEST lower,not higher.. then they could say on other box,HEY SPROUL, IF YOU USE IN-LINE,HIGH VELOCITY, HERE IS OUR NEW PLATINUM BULLET..they will not blow -up..i dont know if the new bullets blow up,but,if they dont, thats way i would sell the bullets.. i think as most of you say, pushing a powerbelt hollow point or aero,at high velocity is a big mistake,UNLESS you hit deer right in heart.. bullets for 2 different VELOCITYS..thats way i would sell them.. |
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sproulman
I do not know the answer to this because I do not use PB's, but what is the real difference between regular PB's and the Plat variety - other than the shape of the Polymere skirts on the Plats...?? The Plats can not be to much harder than the copper ones otherwise the whole theory of the operation of the PB system would fail. I doubt very much that the thickness of the Plat is that much thicker than the copper variety. I would believe they would a tighter iniatial seal with the new skirts and the new skirts might even hold onto the bullet better hanging in the barrel. I think you and Cayugad have the correct reasoning about ho to shoot PB's - Cayugad has been saying for years do not shoot them to hard. Your explanation of liking them in your flintlock is perfect. I do not want to start any hard feelings with anybody, but it has always been my position that a PB is nothing more than an elogated round ball, but given the choice of shooting a given weight round ball and an elongated round ball ofdifferent weights I would choose the elongated round ball and match it to the hunting situation... My 2 cents from a non-scientific mind... |
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ORIGINAL: sabotloader sproulman I do not know the answer to this because I do not use PB's, but what is the real difference between regular PB's and the Plat variety - other than the shape of the Polymere skirts on the Plats...?? The Plats can not be to much harder than the copper ones otherwise the whole theory of the operation of the PB system would fail. I doubt very much that the thickness of the Plat is that much thicker than the copper variety. I would believe they would a tighter iniatial seal with the new skirts and the new skirts might even hold onto the bullet better hanging in the barrel. I think you and Cayugad have the correct reasoning about ho to shoot PB's - Cayugad has been saying for years do not shoot them to hard. Your explanation of liking them in your flintlock is perfect. I do not want to start any hard feelings with anybody, but it has always been my position that a PB is nothing more than an elogated round ball, but given the choice of shooting a given weight round ball and an elongated round ball ofdifferent weights I would choose the elongated round ball and match it to the hunting situation... My 2 cents from a non-scientific mind... I'll be still hunting forest where I know they bed, where I've found them before and where I've seen others taken. It it'll be a rare occurance to have a shot which exceeds 70 yards. Lets say myfirst card is short range (less than one hundred yards), dense woods. The regs here require open sights during regular ML season. Lets say my second card is open sight shooting. For a bullet I want something which has very high momentum but low speed. Basically, with my open sights, I don't want a twig I am unable to see, to substantially deflect the projectile.Also, upon impact, I want aprojectile with sufficient senctional density to penetrate thegame I am shooting deeply and expand atlowvelocity so that a large deep woundchannel is created. Lets say mythird card is a 444PB. I want to deliver in excess of 1500 ft-lbs to100 yards. So I use the little ballistics calculater and calculate the muzzle-velocity required to do that. I need a muzzle velocity of 1385 fps or 1891 ft.-lbs. Now just to figure how much powder will be my fourth card. I know for a given powder volume the 444 will deliver about 22% more muzzle energy than a 300 grain saboted bullet. So 100 grains 777 2f should propell the 444 to an energy of 2562 ft lbs. This is way more than I need. So I just divide the 1891 ft-lbs I want by2562 ft-lbs and get .738. Multiply .738 by 100 and I find 73.8 grains is sufficient to do it so I try 75 grains and find its shoots tight, accurate, groupings. Lets say my fourth card is 75 grains 777 2f. Shot placement is my last card. I will have this card be shot right behind the shoulders so that the bullet passes through both lungs, possibly the heart and the mass of major blood vessels there. I now have the hand I'll be playing and the 444 PB plays a very important role in it that 300 grain partition or a 250 SW can not. It's a different hand,even a different hunt than if I were using a 300 grain saboted partition. But its the right hand for this particular hunt. It not about absolutes at all. This better than that. Its about hunting situations, personal preference, what one's rifle likes, and so on, and so on . . . . |
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For those that really have a need to use PB for game like elk and moose I would recommend the flat point dangerous game bullet it not only don't have that varmit bullet hollow point it is constructed for penatration of a lot better materials[ and expensive but better than using a riskie HP] Lee
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RE: Powerbelt Disintegrates
lemoyne
Another 2 cents... so I am up to four cents... At the velocities that we are shooting ML bullets I really like the HP bullet. I shoot Nosler 260 grain HP's for deer (whitetail/muleys) and a 300 grain Protected Point (essentually aflat point)for Elk. I have shot a couple of deer with the 300 and it passes right through - creates a wound channel and the deer is deer is dead - he/she is just not sure of it yet.... and will do the really quick low to the ground run until they are dead.. Now with the 260 the petals open up almost immediately open hitting the skin - now as that thing passes through it creats one heck of a hydrosatic shock - the vitals are mushed - red jelly... again the deer is dead but this time the deer knows on the spot something is drasticallywrong (this is real shock) - so wrong it can not even muster up the adrennalin (sp) to get much of a run. All of this is theory because I have never recovered a Nosler - in factI don't think I have ever recovered one from a centerfire harvest either. HP's really work for me but in fact so do soft points - I just use the measure of internal damage as the deciding factor. |
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