The factory sights are still on the gun, so tomorrow I will see how it groups with those. I am hoping that it is the scope because that would be an easy fix.

Wish me luck and thanks very much for the help.

I to got a used Remington 70050 Cal last spring. I wanted to save my self some grief so did a search on different fourmsfor loads others are useing in their 700's.Here is a list of what I found and saved.
50 Cal
I am shooting 110 grains of T7-2f with a 300 grain bullet getting very good accuracy and 1750 fps.

I shoot 95 Grains of loose 777 ffg powder & the TC 250 Gr. PTX Sabot.

90 gr. of loose Pyrodex and 295 gr. power belts


a Nosler 260 grain partition or for a less exspensive bullet a bonded Speer 250 grain Gold Dot - 110 grains of T7-2f - both of these are deadly on deer out to 150 yards..

300gr. Barnes MZ and the 300gr SST's. I used 120gr. of loose 777


348gr Black Belts. The copper plated ones; not the naked lead. I'm shooting 120gr loads of Swiss FFg and it groups into a 3 inch bull at a hundred yards.

100 grains t7-2f - 260 grain - .451 Nosler partition in a Nosler or MMP HPH-24 black sabot.
Target practice - just switch out the bullets for a compairable Hornady (expense).



260 grain Knight lead sabot over 100 grains Pyrodex RS or over 90 grains 2f 777
250 grain Shockwave/SST over 100 grains 2f 777 (consistent 1.5" or better);
348 grain Powerbelt over 100 grains 2f 777 (this may be the best shooter of all. Haven't shot enough groups to confirm consistency) I use nothing but RWS 1075 #11 caps and see no need to change.
220 or 260 grain Dead Centers in this gun.
It also does nothing great with the 250 grain Barnes copper sabots, 240 grain XTP or 300 grain XTP.

Hornady 300 grain 44/45 cal XTp or XTP mag. I use the 44's because they have a better BC for down range - but either one of them shoots great.

Nosler Sabots - (both 44 or 45) they are an ugly color but work real well and go down the tube just right - no matter how many times I have shot.

100 grains of t7 - loose powder
209 primer set up - but I really didn't have any problems with the #11's

I Shot this group with 80gr. T7 and 240 HP XTP's 50 yards.



I had to swab between shots but was getting great two shot groups with out swabing. I saw no need to try anything else at this point.
I may try some of the ones on the above list at a latter date.
Good luck with it.


Al

Wolf

Not sure if you're joking, but you can useone 50 gr pellet and two 30 gr. pellets for a total charge of 110 gr.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is swabbing between shots?

Thanks for all the useful information.

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Pardon my ignorance, but what is swabbing between shots?

It has long been thought, the way to the best possible accuracy with a black powder rifle is to keep all things equal. For instances, if you measure your load then you measure the same each time. The same bullet and sabot, same cap, even as close to the same loading pressure when you seat the projectile. So in order to keep all things equal, many people swab the barrel free of the major fowling, between shots.

Take a patch and dampen (not saturate) it with alcohol and car windshield washer fluid in a 50/50 mix. Some use Windex, spit, and all other kinds of swabbing solution. I prefer the first mentioned mix. Work that patch is short strokes from the muzzle to the breech. Pull the patch back out and then flip the patch and swab it in the same manner again. This will pull the fowling from the powder out of the bore. Some powders fowl worse then other. Then swab the bore with two dry patches in the same manner. You now have a relatively clean dry bore identical shot to shot we hope when you shoot. This means the projectile, powder, etc should act the same shot to shot giving you better consistency and accuracy.

That is swabbing the barrel...

Which 209 kit did you install? Rem or cabela's(jobber)? If Rem do you notice a delayed fire? I have a fair bit of experience with the rem 700 mls, having owned 2(still have one) and shooting/hunting with several others who own them as well. The fellas who used the Rem 209 experienced many problems with it& 777 (mostly pellets but loose as well) with getting reliable ignition. The fix was either the cabelas kit or 209 nipple and 26# spring vs the supplied remington one. Or going back to the #11 and shooting either pyrodex pellet/loose or 777 loose. If the cabelas one then scratch the above!

I have the cabelas 209 and never experienced a problem. I shoot 209W primers exclusively. 95 gr ffg T7 with 240 xtp and green mmp(hornady packaged) sabot produceMOA groups as long as I can. 2 x 50's of pyrodex or 777 pellets would easily hold 2" @ 100. So unless your ml barrel is heavily plastic fouled or loose I can't see these being the problem. As mostI know use such a load with excellent results. If the sabot is really easy to slip down the barrel try the short MMP HPH series and 45 cal xtp vs the 44. If it is really grippy feeling try scrubbing the bore with some plastic removal solvent and bore brush (shooter choice mc 7, etc remove plastic as well as lead/powder fouling).

BTW, I swab between shoots using the 50/50 solution and technique provided by cayugad. Though even when not for follow up shot testing does my group suffer as badly as yours did. So it leans me to a problem with scope or rings/bases. Since you'll try the iron sights this should tell you if these are your culprit!

What are you using to shoot off? Solid rest or free hand? I like a solid bench and sandbags for developing then practice field positions once I have found the load I'll be using. Eliminates shooter error some!

Good Luck.

I have a 700 ml also I have not had any problems. I shoot powerbelt pellets and prodex powered, I don't have a scope on mine.

I have hunted with the same gun for years. 2, 777 pellets and a 200 gr. shockwave. I have the Cabelas kit on it also. No problems from mine.

Be careful when mixing pellets, as if you are using 110 grs for pellets you are exceeding Hodgon's recommendations.

MAXIMUM LOAD WARNING
45 and 50 CALIBER RIFLE:
45 Caliber Pellets come in one size: 50 grain
50 Caliber Pellets come in two (2) sizes:
1) 50 grain volume equivalent which equals 50 grains of loose powder by volume.
2) 30 grain volume equivalent which equals 30 grains of loose powder by volume.
The maximum load per shot should never exceed total Pellets containing more than 100 grains volume equivalent. That means, no more than:





45 Caliber
1) Two (2) 50 grain Pellets


2) Three (3) 44/45 caliber 30 grain Pellets



50 Caliber
1) Three (3) 30 grain Pellets, or


2) Two (2) 50 grain Pellets, or


3) One (1) 50 grain Pellet and one (1) 30 grain Pellet


http://www.hodgdon.com/data/muzzleloading/pellet-warnings.php

100 grs is plenty of knockdown power out to 100 yards, if you need to shoot beyond that buy a centerfire rifle.

my remington ml is a great shooter w 2 pyrodex pellets and hornady sst. but if i use any other primer besides a winchester 209 it sprays bullets all over the place! thats with the iron sights or the leupold vx1 thats on it now.