check out the traditions kentucky classic. i own one and it shoots amazing! You know the lyman trade rifles? well everyone used to brag about shooting 2 1/2 groups @50 yardswith a percussion rifle. Well i took my traditions out 2 days ago at 100 yards and was shooting that group! And before i forget, im shooting a flintlock! i picked mine up brand new for $277 shipped. TJ General store.. just type it in the search area of yahoo. Its an excellent shooting rifle for the price and is built sturdy.