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my book say's check yer patches
been readin through this forum
folks are usin wonder wads over the powder b4 loadin patched balls ta prevent patch burnout (question) ???????????????????????????
im usin cream a wheat filler in my cap&ball. could that be used in a rifle ta pevent patch burnout or is the wonderwad keepin the bore clean/lubed ?????????????????????????????????????????
conicals/ball-lets ??????????????
wonderwad over the powder ????????????
book say's a dab of lube on the base is enough, and just a light coating on the sides if at all ???????????????
lube ?????????
is shortning ok ??????????????????
whats the best ??????????????????
patch thickness ??????????????????
if i gotta 50 cal (.512) i assume; a .490 ball plus .018 lubed pillow tickling patch comes ta .508 ?????????? how tight does it need ta be ?????????
powder ??? im gettin good info from the other threads.
sorry ta pester if this stuff's been covered but im a small fish in a big pond with this new hobby.
early
been readin through this forum
folks are usin wonder wads over the powder b4 loadin patched balls ta prevent patch burnout (question) ???????????????????????????
im usin cream a wheat filler in my cap&ball. could that be used in a rifle ta pevent patch burnout or is the wonderwad keepin the bore clean/lubed ?????????????????????????????????????????
conicals/ball-lets ??????????????
wonderwad over the powder ????????????
book say's a dab of lube on the base is enough, and just a light coating on the sides if at all ???????????????
lube ?????????
is shortning ok ??????????????????
whats the best ??????????????????
patch thickness ??????????????????
if i gotta 50 cal (.512) i assume; a .490 ball plus .018 lubed pillow tickling patch comes ta .508 ?????????? how tight does it need ta be ?????????
powder ??? im gettin good info from the other threads.
sorry ta pester if this stuff's been covered but im a small fish in a big pond with this new hobby.
early
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You purchased the Tradition's Woodsman Hawkins .50 caliber with 1/48 twist.
To shoot roundball, I would load 80 grains of Goex 3f powder, and a moosemilk patched with a .490 roundball. This should put you in the ball park just fine. Start your shooting at 13 or 25 yards until you have a nice tight group. Then move back from there to the different distances.
folks are usin wonder wads over the powder b4 loadin patched balls ta prevent patch burnout (question) ???????????????????????????
im usin cream a wheat filler in my cap&ball. could that be used in a rifle ta pevent patch burnout or is the wonderwad keepin the bore clean/lubed ?????????????????????????????????????????
im usin cream a wheat filler in my cap&ball. could that be used in a rifle ta pevent patch burnout or is the wonderwad keepin the bore clean/lubed ?????????????????????????????????????????
conicals/ball-lets ??????????????
wonderwad over the powder ????????????
book say's a dab of lube on the base is enough, and just a light coating on the sides if at all ???????????????
wonderwad over the powder ????????????
book say's a dab of lube on the base is enough, and just a light coating on the sides if at all ???????????????
lube ?????????
is shortning ok ??????????????????
whats the best ??????????????????
is shortning ok ??????????????????
whats the best ??????????????????
patch thickness ??????????????????
if i gotta 50 cal (.512) i assume; a .490 ball plus .018 lubed pillow tickling patch comes ta .508 ?????????? how tight does it need ta be ?????????
if i gotta 50 cal (.512) i assume; a .490 ball plus .018 lubed pillow tickling patch comes ta .508 ?????????? how tight does it need ta be ?????????
powder ??? im gettin good info from the other threads.
my book say's check yer patches
sorry ta pester if this stuff's been covered but im a small fish in a big pond with this new hobby.
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many thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cayuqad very helpfull !!!!!!!!!!!!!
ha hah ha LOL on the cream a wheat; my wife say's its nasty. i had some yesterday fer breakfast, but i'll eat anything that don't eat me first. im a cheapskate the cereal is too much $$$$$, im switchin ta corn meal when it runs out.
beleive it or not where i hunt there's often several abandoned hornets nests along the road. during rifle season this year if there still around ill get some fer loading after i make REAL! sure their abandoned.
early
ha hah ha LOL on the cream a wheat; my wife say's its nasty. i had some yesterday fer breakfast, but i'll eat anything that don't eat me first. im a cheapskate the cereal is too much $$$$$, im switchin ta corn meal when it runs out.
beleive it or not where i hunt there's often several abandoned hornets nests along the road. during rifle season this year if there still around ill get some fer loading after i make REAL! sure their abandoned.
early
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Need a quality patch lube that's dirt-cheap?
http://housewares.hardwarestore.com/35-176-hand-cleaners/permatex-hand-cleaner-306308.aspx
Want a homemade bullet lube? Use 40% Bore Butter and 60% Cabelas Lube (white stuff). Microwave in a bowl - stir - then dip the bullets with needle-nose pliers. Let dry/harden - then remove the lube from the hollow base.
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=&id=0012628212625a&nav Count=4&podId=0012628&parentId=cat20819&am p;navAction=push&catalogCode=QT&rid=&p arentType=index&indexId=cat20819&hasJS=tru e
http://housewares.hardwarestore.com/35-176-hand-cleaners/permatex-hand-cleaner-306308.aspx
Want a homemade bullet lube? Use 40% Bore Butter and 60% Cabelas Lube (white stuff). Microwave in a bowl - stir - then dip the bullets with needle-nose pliers. Let dry/harden - then remove the lube from the hollow base.
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=&id=0012628212625a&nav Count=4&podId=0012628&parentId=cat20819&am p;navAction=push&catalogCode=QT&rid=&p arentType=index&indexId=cat20819&hasJS=tru e
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ORIGINAL: early
beleive it or not where i hunt there's often several abandoned hornets nests along the road. during rifle season this year if there still around ill get some fer loading after i make REAL! sure their abandoned.
early
beleive it or not where i hunt there's often several abandoned hornets nests along the road. during rifle season this year if there still around ill get some fer loading after i make REAL! sure their abandoned.
early
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ORIGINAL: cayugad
Many years ago.. friends and I gathered old paper wasp nest and used them as packing between the powder and ball. Why we did it was because I had read in a book about rendevous and Mountain Manliving. In the book it was told how they gathered these in the winter. The pioneer trappers and hunters used the bees nest for packing, which was thecustom. I can not say that the rifle shot any better then a simple wool felt wad but it was kind of fun to gather in the winter time and we sure had some good laughs shooting them.
ORIGINAL: early
beleive it or not where i hunt there's often several abandoned hornets nests along the road. during rifle season this year if there still around ill get some fer loading after i make REAL! sure their abandoned.
early
beleive it or not where i hunt there's often several abandoned hornets nests along the road. during rifle season this year if there still around ill get some fer loading after i make REAL! sure their abandoned.
early
Many years ago.. friends and I gathered old paper wasp nest and used them as packing between the powder and ball. Why we did it was because I had read in a book about rendevous and Mountain Manliving. In the book it was told how they gathered these in the winter. The pioneer trappers and hunters used the bees nest for packing, which was thecustom. I can not say that the rifle shot any better then a simple wool felt wad but it was kind of fun to gather in the winter time and we sure had some good laughs shooting them.
HA HA HA !!!!!!!!!! ya never saw an old man run so fast !!!!!!!!
early
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ORIGINAL: Triple Se7en
Need a quality patch lube that's dirt-cheap?
http://housewares.hardwarestore.com/35-176-hand-cleaners/permatex-hand-cleaner-306308.aspx
Want a homemade bullet lube? Use 40% Bore Butter and 60% Cabelas Lube (white stuff). Microwave in a bowl - stir - then dip the bullets with needle-nose pliers. Let dry/harden - then remove the lube from the hollow base.
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=&id=0012628212625a&nav Count=4&podId=0012628&parentId=cat20819&am p;navAction=push&catalogCode=QT&rid=&p arentType=index&indexId=cat20819&hasJS=tru e
Need a quality patch lube that's dirt-cheap?
http://housewares.hardwarestore.com/35-176-hand-cleaners/permatex-hand-cleaner-306308.aspx
Want a homemade bullet lube? Use 40% Bore Butter and 60% Cabelas Lube (white stuff). Microwave in a bowl - stir - then dip the bullets with needle-nose pliers. Let dry/harden - then remove the lube from the hollow base.
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=&id=0012628212625a&nav Count=4&podId=0012628&parentId=cat20819&am p;navAction=push&catalogCode=QT&rid=&p arentType=index&indexId=cat20819&hasJS=tru e
early
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RE: Loading ???????????????????
The Cream of Wheat could be used. And yes, the Wonderwad keeps the bore from leading up. I use a Wonderwad with a completely un-lubed Maxi Ball and get no leading at all. I use a Wonderwan with all flatbased conical bullets except Power belts, but don't generally use them with a PRB. The only time I tried a Wonderwad with a PRB was when I was testing T7 to see if it could be used with a PRB. I decided the answer was NO! I got high shots and blown patches with T7 PRB loads no matter what the load was, or if there was a Wonderwad on the powder or not.
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RE: Loading ???????????????????
ORIGINAL: eldeguello
The Cream of Wheat could be used. And yes, the Wonderwad keeps the bore from leading up. I use a Wonderwad with a completely un-lubed Maxi Ball and get no leading at all. I use a Wonderwan with all flatbased conical bullets except Power belts, but don't generally use them with a PRB. The only time I tried a Wonderwad with a PRB was when I was testing T7 to see if it could be used with a PRB. I decided the answer was NO! I got high shots and blown patches with T7 PRB loads no matter what the load was, or if there was a Wonderwad on the powder or not.
The Cream of Wheat could be used. And yes, the Wonderwad keeps the bore from leading up. I use a Wonderwad with a completely un-lubed Maxi Ball and get no leading at all. I use a Wonderwan with all flatbased conical bullets except Power belts, but don't generally use them with a PRB. The only time I tried a Wonderwad with a PRB was when I was testing T7 to see if it could be used with a PRB. I decided the answer was NO! I got high shots and blown patches with T7 PRB loads no matter what the load was, or if there was a Wonderwad on the powder or not.
i ordered some hornady RB's and 240 grPA conicals........now im trying ta figure how ta load the PA's..........can't find any data so far.
can't find goex either here unless i buy 25lbs.......gonna try pyro and T7 i think.
early
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Pyrodex RS will work just fine. Pyrodex P is better but harder to find in stores. Just be aware, of all the powders out there, Pyrodex is one of the most corrosive of them, so be sure and do a good cleaning after using/shooting it.
As for how to load the PA Conicals, like any conical, drop the powder down the barrel and then seat the conical on top of it. I believe the PA conicals come pre lubed. I am not sure if they are a hollow bottom or flat but I believe they are somewhat hollow as I remember.
When you get your powder charge down the barrel and your roundball/conical on top of the powder charge, make a witness mark on your ramrod. Leave the ramrod sitting on the charge. Then take a piece of masking tape and wrap that level around the ramrod to the muzzle. Next time you load, make sure that the ramrod reaches that mark. This will tell you the ball is seated right, or even if you forgot powder. It will also tell you if the rifle is loaded, and when it is time to clean the fowling. If you can not get that projectile seated to that witness mark without a lot of effort, swab the barrel.
Some old timer tricks which some do but not all, after dropping the powder down the barrel, take the rifle and thump the toe of your shoe with the butt end of the stock, while keeping the rifle pointed straight up. This will cause the powder to fill the cone of the breech better and it levels the powder charge also. Then set the roundball or conical on top of that.
Before you shoot on the range, be sure to pop three #11 caps through the nipple of the rifle while empty. This will blow clear the fire channel and also coat the inside of the fire channel with a small amount of fowling from the caps. Then push a clean dry patch down to the bottom of the breech and then pop one more cap. Pull this patch. This patch will show you how much fire is making through the nipple and fire channel in to the breech.
Also when I shoot Pyrodex the only thing I will swab my barrel with when it needs it is pure 70% isopropyl alcohol. When you buy isopropyl it comes in two strengths in my Wal Mart.. 70% & 91% I use the strong one for mixing with windshield washer fluid and the weaker as a straight swab... especially when shooting Pyrodex. You get too wet a patch done there of other stuff and you get fowling mud and the rifle will misfire.
As for how to load the PA Conicals, like any conical, drop the powder down the barrel and then seat the conical on top of it. I believe the PA conicals come pre lubed. I am not sure if they are a hollow bottom or flat but I believe they are somewhat hollow as I remember.
When you get your powder charge down the barrel and your roundball/conical on top of the powder charge, make a witness mark on your ramrod. Leave the ramrod sitting on the charge. Then take a piece of masking tape and wrap that level around the ramrod to the muzzle. Next time you load, make sure that the ramrod reaches that mark. This will tell you the ball is seated right, or even if you forgot powder. It will also tell you if the rifle is loaded, and when it is time to clean the fowling. If you can not get that projectile seated to that witness mark without a lot of effort, swab the barrel.
Some old timer tricks which some do but not all, after dropping the powder down the barrel, take the rifle and thump the toe of your shoe with the butt end of the stock, while keeping the rifle pointed straight up. This will cause the powder to fill the cone of the breech better and it levels the powder charge also. Then set the roundball or conical on top of that.
Before you shoot on the range, be sure to pop three #11 caps through the nipple of the rifle while empty. This will blow clear the fire channel and also coat the inside of the fire channel with a small amount of fowling from the caps. Then push a clean dry patch down to the bottom of the breech and then pop one more cap. Pull this patch. This patch will show you how much fire is making through the nipple and fire channel in to the breech.
Also when I shoot Pyrodex the only thing I will swab my barrel with when it needs it is pure 70% isopropyl alcohol. When you buy isopropyl it comes in two strengths in my Wal Mart.. 70% & 91% I use the strong one for mixing with windshield washer fluid and the weaker as a straight swab... especially when shooting Pyrodex. You get too wet a patch done there of other stuff and you get fowling mud and the rifle will misfire.