Many years ago.. friends and I gathered old paper wasp nest and used them as packing between the powder and ball. Why we did it was because I had read in a book about rendevous and Mountain Manliving. In the book it was told how they gathered these in the winter. The pioneer trappers and hunters used the bees nest for packing, which was thecustom. I can not say that the rifle shot any better then a simple wool felt wad but it was kind of fun to gather in the winter time and we sure had some good laughs shooting them.