Guys Please! These rifles while very nice looking were just too expensive @ $500 plus. But the DNR Sports url provided here has some of them at $270 now which is a real teaser price for shooting round ball and conicals. Plus, I'd have a traditional ML too. Note to self- no more spending until I get used to my Ultra Mag ... who knows later on?

A Cabelas Hawkins is made by Investarms Inc. Investarms Inc also makes all of the Lyman Rifles. When you purchase a Lyman Rifle you get two manuals. One from Lyman and one from Investarms. Even though they are for the same rifle they differ in the loads they allow for the rifle.

There would be little to no advantage to spend all that money on a Cabela's Hawkins and then turn around and get a Green Mountian IBS barrel. Save your money and purchase a 1" on the flats Green Mountain IBS barrel in 1-28 twist and put that on your Renegade. I have two of those barrels. They are stainless Steel with 1-28 twist. They shoot sabots very well and conicals somewhat well, although I admit I have not tried a lot of conicals in them because of my other conical shooting rifles. These are the same barrels you would find on a Knight Muzzleloader.

philnie - I bought my .54 caliber Lyman Trade Rifle flintlock from D&R Sports. It's a beautiful rifle and a great shooter to boot. I think you should get another rifle right away to keep your White Company for while your off working your tail off to pay for all this stuff...