I've had 4 hurt parties - two lawyers and oneprivate investigatorcontact me for either information/knowledge -- even wanting me to testify. I will not participate in any court proceedings -- will not give statements to the associates of those hurt (or) their attorneys - or their private investigators. I have interacted with some that were hurt on threads like this one. I believe half were at fault - half were not.

All of em' involved Randy's not-so-favorite ML rifle producer.

I am done on this thread. I think the thread-starter here is not fond of Randy - so a thread like this is his way of throwing stones at Wakeman. Some here are not fond of me either-- but I really don't care what they think / how they feel.
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BTW Rich.... beautiful new rifle. Nice aftermarket components with it.... ie... trigger, barrel.... etc.

My complaint had nothing to do with Savage but rather I complained, and I fully expected your agreement, that it is not best for Randy to go spouting off about exceeding allowed loads in his Savage. Your answer left me with the impression, which I think you want to leave everyone with the impression of, that Randy is a "professional", earning a living, and being "paid" to putrifles, all kinds of rifles, not just the Savage,through their paces. Did you or did you not want me to have this impression?

I asked, as sincerely as anyone could, and sincerely wanting an unobfuscated answer, where the revenues were coming from. I asked you point blank. "Paid by whom?"

As I said. I erringly assumed it was the rifle companies themselves, which Wolfhound, in short order corrected. Freely giving the information that Randy is compensated only by his business of retailing ML rifles and supplies and by a Law firm which is either in litigation or has the potential of being in litigation with BPI.

Evidently, it is you which mislead everyone, giving us the impression that Randy is being paid, as professional muzzleloading test pilot, for the sake of safety and testing,toput on full body protection, in his home laboratory range,where hetests muzzleloaders with loads which are prohibited by the manufacturer. Is this what happened? If so, then I am willing to agree that, according to you, Randy is not paid to overcharge Muzzleloaders.

Happy Hunting, Phil

This is just my opinion and my opinion only, but the fact that Randy has a "favorite" (and also sells his favorite)nullifieshis objectivityfor "testing" other "not so favorite" brands. Asfar as the thread starter not being fond of Wakeman, heck, I can't stand the arrogant SOBand that goes for most of his"followers" (and that does includeWolfhound).

As far as T7,from what I have read here and on other forums, he has at least as much muzzleloading knowledge as Wakeman and can share it without being an ass.

I'm out!

T7, its not that I am not fond of you. I don't agree with much of what you have said recently.

For all I know, none were at fault. I think BPI must settle these cases. What I see happening though is this. We have come by the knowledge that in the initial firing, pressures can be highly elevated with 3 pellet loads, causing the rupture of the barrel. Randy has the opportunity to make note that such problem could occur in any new rough barrel and make recommendations, at the very least,to break in a rifle on lighter loads and, at the most, to never exceed the powder manufactures approved loads.

The problem with this recommendation is that it leaves one with the impression that, while delivering to market a barrel or four which could and did explode on the initial firing with a maximum load, BPI was not blatantly negligent or intentionally negigent. I am sure that Randy's buddies at the law firm are wanting to build a case that BPI was flooding, intentionally, knowingly,the market with woefully inferior rifles incapable withstanding the manuals maximum allowed charges. If Randy ever discussed this with the Lawyer's, it would be in the Law firms interest to prohibit Randy from stating this knowledge.

This whole BPI conspiracy scenario to intentionally put at risk the lives of American muzzleloading enthusiasts is, in a word, hogwash. Now that Wolfhound has clearly and unambigiously given us the knowledge that Randy has a shared monetary interest in an action against BPI, I am beginning to understand why Randy has handled his role of leadership, regarding this matter,in the way that he has.

Happy Hunting, Phil

Phil

Most times, the barrel ruptures because it cannot withstand commonerrors associated with today's inlines -- today's inexperienced shooters.However, that does not give an escape clause to the manufacturer when accidents happen. With a sealed unit that's loaded from the muzzle, no-fault insurances kick-in to protect the companies affected -- but after several years of paying lawsuit-after-lawsuit, the company can no longer afford the insurance.

That company which Randy dislikesneeds to do a better job allowing for mistakes in bullet-seatment --- allowing for mistakes when pellets crack & air gaps form. Parts should not go flying when these mistakes occur with three pellet loads. The barrel should only balloon....ie... like stronger T/C, Knights....not come apart/rupture due to soft, extruded steel that's pressure-tested only to proper specswhen the shooter/gun techdoes everything correctly in loading//seating the bullet/powder.

That's why this company that Randy dislikes is in deep-deep trouble... I think anyways.

No I do not believe you dislike me yet. You appear to be very rational while going too much gray-area on me...lol

BTW... I own soft, extruded equipment...lol
I am super-careful in every step of this fine sport while using Randy's not-so-favorite barrels. I am happy to report that no actions are present to blow out -- no breechplugs to come unglued -- all are sidelocks & yes... I was once forced to get a stitch or two after profusely bleeding when a nipple came flying outonce.... ever see several red-colored 3" square patches on a shooting table?...lol.

T7,

I'm going to give you last word on this whole thing. If I could ask you for something, this is what it would be. Use your experience to help people enjoytheir muzzleloader, even if it happens to be a BPI product. I think you also are rational, and that you know, as well as I, that there is an acceptable range of loads which can be used in them safely, which can also effectively and humanely take game.

Happy Hunting, Phil

I personally think this dead horse has been beaten
far to many times. Yes I remember the days in the
early 60's when I built my first ML a Kentucky
long rifle kit from Dixie Gun Works. What makes
this country the greatest place on EARTH!!!!!!
We can disagree without the fear of imprisonment,
or worse even death. But with that being said,
we must be able to discern truth from that fodder
that raises MUSHROOMS you know keep-em in the
dark & feed-em lots of manure. I think we should
all, from time to time, step back; takea deep breath
And just be greatful to our maker we live & love
in the good old USA. sound you hear next is me
removing myself from the soapbox

Sorry you guys I just barely got back to a computer. I work for the Department of Corrections and I work 12 hour days with 4 days on and 3 off and then vica-versa. I dont own a computer at home sorry Triple7. dmurphy317 I would be really interested on the outcome of your testing please keep us posted. The information I provided was from a statement that RW made himself from huntamerica.com. I have nothing personal against RW, like I said before I own an omega and a black diamond but I would never bash them or TC even though my favorite is the winchester apex. My posts are always late at night because I work graveyards.

bdeather, I can understand your work schedule, I work nights on basically the same 3/4 schedule you do. I do have a computer at home and at work so i do get online a little more than you apparently do but I certainly understand.

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