Powerbelt Issues
12-27-2005 | 12:06 PM
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RE: Powerbelt Issues
ORIGINAL: cayugad
It sounds like your building up a large fowling in the breech. A couple suggestions, have you ever tried Goex 3f instead of 2f it might leave less fowling. Also, you are shooting Goex and not Elephant powder I hope? Elephant was the only powder that left that kind of crud build up in my rifles. Needless to say I did not shoot much of it.
Another thing you can do is swab the barrel between shots with 91% isopropyl alcohol. One wet swab both sides, and then a couple dry ones and it should load easy again. It does sound like it had a tight bore though. Powerbelts are really easy to load normally.
It sounds like your building up a large fowling in the breech. A couple suggestions, have you ever tried Goex 3f instead of 2f it might leave less fowling. Also, you are shooting Goex and not Elephant powder I hope? Elephant was the only powder that left that kind of crud build up in my rifles. Needless to say I did not shoot much of it.
Another thing you can do is swab the barrel between shots with 91% isopropyl alcohol. One wet swab both sides, and then a couple dry ones and it should load easy again. It does sound like it had a tight bore though. Powerbelts are really easy to load normally.
12-27-2005 | 02:33 PM
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RE: Powerbelt Issues
Mikey S.
Question? On the first load on a clean bore - How does the sabot go down? Do you feel any metal to metal or does ot slide down plastic to metal and slide down really easy?
Since the gun is new to you - I would also suggest that you really take the gun apart and clean the bore. Pour boiling water through the barrel - the boiling water will clean out a oil and loosen plastic foulng - then brush it with a bronze brush while it is hot. Rinse it well with boling water. A caution should also be noted here - when you are done with the water have dry patches on hand and dry the barrel right now to prevent flash rust/oxidation. Let the barrel cool and without the breech plug in push a PB down through - Is it easier now than it was?
You now have a couple of options if you wish to continue shooting BP. The old timers would tell you keep the oil out of the gun - use all natural lubes. I think I would try this before going back to an oil.
Since livbucks brought it up I do wonder about the PB-Knight question I do not use PB's so I am not up on the different varieties....
Just to let you know I shoot T7 and I still use BB because I really believe it does help reduce fouling both palstic and powder, but I believe there is a very specific way to use it and specific way to apply it. If you are interested let me know and I'll get you the infomation.
Good luck - but, there should really be know reason you have to pound a PB down the barrel.
Question? On the first load on a clean bore - How does the sabot go down? Do you feel any metal to metal or does ot slide down plastic to metal and slide down really easy?
I bought it used, took it to the range, layed it on the bags, fired a Powerbelt
You now have a couple of options if you wish to continue shooting BP. The old timers would tell you keep the oil out of the gun - use all natural lubes. I think I would try this before going back to an oil.
Since livbucks brought it up I do wonder about the PB-Knight question I do not use PB's so I am not up on the different varieties....
Just to let you know I shoot T7 and I still use BB because I really believe it does help reduce fouling both palstic and powder, but I believe there is a very specific way to use it and specific way to apply it. If you are interested let me know and I'll get you the infomation.
Good luck - but, there should really be know reason you have to pound a PB down the barrel.
12-27-2005 | 04:07 PM
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RE: Powerbelt Issues
it sounds like a dirty barrel.i seen this on range with round balls.i saw people break their rods trying to pound ball home. try soaking barrel in your favorite cleaner.let it sit and loosen up inside, then brush and hot water.i use car brake cleaner in spray canto really clean my barrel ,it works great.it comes with a plastic straw so you can spray into breech area and down barrel.its cheap to at wal-mart.
12-27-2005 | 06:58 PM
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RE: Powerbelt Issues
ORIGINAL: Mikey S.
I typically do clean the barrel thoroughly before shooting the first shot, with alchohol or super scrub or somethingthat leaves no residue behind. I'm starting to believe(after reading some replies)that the pores of the barrel still hold some of the rem oil in the barrel, even after the cleaning; and the problems arise after the first shot is fired.For instance, yesterday, on my first hunt with the gun, I shot at a deer at 75 yards. The barrel was as clean as I know how to get it, and after the shot, I wanted to get a second round in the barrel in case I needed a follow up shot. I swear, it took me 5 minutes to ram that bullet down that barrel. My hunting buddy actually got irritated and left me and went and found my dead deer for while I was cussing up on the hill. Later when we returned to his house, I took out my breech plug to knock that second bullet out, and the hollow point nose was completely smashed........that's how hard I had to push on my ramrod to seat the bullet.
Livbucks, I seat the bullet well. I typically push it till it stops on the powder, then take the rod and and smack it off the bullet a couple times till the the rod starts to bounce off. This is how I was taught anyways...it seems to work for everyone else I shoot/hunt with.
I typically do clean the barrel thoroughly before shooting the first shot, with alchohol or super scrub or somethingthat leaves no residue behind. I'm starting to believe(after reading some replies)that the pores of the barrel still hold some of the rem oil in the barrel, even after the cleaning; and the problems arise after the first shot is fired.For instance, yesterday, on my first hunt with the gun, I shot at a deer at 75 yards. The barrel was as clean as I know how to get it, and after the shot, I wanted to get a second round in the barrel in case I needed a follow up shot. I swear, it took me 5 minutes to ram that bullet down that barrel. My hunting buddy actually got irritated and left me and went and found my dead deer for while I was cussing up on the hill. Later when we returned to his house, I took out my breech plug to knock that second bullet out, and the hollow point nose was completely smashed........that's how hard I had to push on my ramrod to seat the bullet.
Livbucks, I seat the bullet well. I typically push it till it stops on the powder, then take the rod and and smack it off the bullet a couple times till the the rod starts to bounce off. This is how I was taught anyways...it seems to work for everyone else I shoot/hunt with.
Sounds like you have a fouled barrel - perhaps using a jag instead of a bore brush& have been using the wrongsolvents to clean with. Use Shooters Choice solvent or Birchwood Casey 2 In 1 Bore Cleaner WITH A BORE BRUSH. Let the first two wet patches with either solvent soak for 15-20 minutes before brushing it out.
Stuff liike "super-scrub" may have an agent in it that makes the bore tacky when it get hot from ignition. What oil are you using for storing puirposes? Also... T/C has two different pre-saturated patches.... one is the very weak T/C 13 -- the other is Bore Butter/Wonderlube 1000 patches. Which one were you using?
12-28-2005 | 06:19 AM
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RE: Powerbelt Issues
ORIGINAL: Triple Se7en
What in the world is "super-scrub"?
Sounds like you have a fouled barrel - perhaps using a jag instead of a bore brush& have been using the wrongsolvents to clean with. Use Shooters Choice solvent or Birchwood Casey 2 In 1 Bore Cleaner WITH A BORE BRUSH. Let the first two wet patches with either solvent soak for 15-20 minutes before brushing it out.
Stuff liike "super-scrub" may have an agent in it that makes the bore tacky when it get hot from ignition. What oil are you using for storing puirposes? Also... T/C has two different pre-saturated patches.... one is the very weak T/C 13 -- the other is Bore Butter/Wonderlube 1000 patches. Which one were you using?
What in the world is "super-scrub"?
Sounds like you have a fouled barrel - perhaps using a jag instead of a bore brush& have been using the wrongsolvents to clean with. Use Shooters Choice solvent or Birchwood Casey 2 In 1 Bore Cleaner WITH A BORE BRUSH. Let the first two wet patches with either solvent soak for 15-20 minutes before brushing it out.
Stuff liike "super-scrub" may have an agent in it that makes the bore tacky when it get hot from ignition. What oil are you using for storing puirposes? Also... T/C has two different pre-saturated patches.... one is the very weak T/C 13 -- the other is Bore Butter/Wonderlube 1000 patches. Which one were you using?
Believe me guys, I've tried just about everything except running bore butter down the barrel after cleaning the barrel in hot water. I even let some Hoppes Elite Gel soak in the barrel for a few minutes the other nite, brushed it, and ran a few pathes through that came out clean. I gave the barrel a coat of 3 in 1 oil for the time being till I can pick up some bore butter. I'll give in another scalding bath tonite with soapy waterto get the oil out and run some bb patches down there and shoot it this weekend.
The bullets go down the barrel perfectly fine when it's clean.
Sabotloader, I'd like to read your info. on the BB and how you use it. You can pm me with it if you like.
I'm not using the Knight PB's.
Honestly, guys, the only reason I didn't use the BB is because my buddies didn't use it in their guns with PB's. Hopefully it'll help.
12-28-2005 | 06:57 AM
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RE: Powerbelt Issues
ORIGINAL: Mikey S. Yea, I'm shooting Goex FF. I usually swab with the TC pre-saturated cleaning patches in between shots at that range. It works really well, but doing after every shot gets to be a pain VOILA!!.....and that business in the woods yesterday really had me jacked.
For the Brown Bess smoothbore musket, the British issued paper cartridge ammunitiuon in belt boxes with the cartridges packed in rows with bullets of descending diameter so that as the muskets fouled up, the troops were loading progressively smaller balls so they would go down the barrel!
I suggest you try shooting your rifle with American Pioneer powder or GOEX Pinnacle instead of real black, to see how it loads when the bore is not crudding up so rapidly! If you use CCI No. 11 magnum caps, you will not have any ignition problems. Either of these two powders cleans out more easily than either BP or Pyrodex.
12-28-2005 | 07:25 AM
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RE: Powerbelt Issues
ORIGINAL: eldeguello
Seems to me that you have discovered your own problem-too much fouling from real BP!! Usingreal BP, you get reliable ignition, butalso a lot more fouling is deposited in the bore. This makes things get tight quick!
For the Brown Bess smoothbore musket, the British issued paper cartridge ammunitiuon in belt boxes with the cartridges packed in rows with bullets of descending diameter so that as the muskets fouled up, the troops were loading progressively smaller balls so they would go down the barrel!
I suggest you try shooting your rifle with American Pioneer powder or GOEX Pinnacle instead of real black, to see how it loads when the bore is not crudding up so rapidly! If you use CCI No. 11 magnum caps, you will not have any ignition problems. Either of these two powders cleans out more easily than either BP or Pyrodex.
ORIGINAL: Mikey S. Yea, I'm shooting Goex FF. I usually swab with the TC pre-saturated cleaning patches in between shots at that range. It works really well, but doing after every shot gets to be a pain VOILA!!.....and that business in the woods yesterday really had me jacked.
For the Brown Bess smoothbore musket, the British issued paper cartridge ammunitiuon in belt boxes with the cartridges packed in rows with bullets of descending diameter so that as the muskets fouled up, the troops were loading progressively smaller balls so they would go down the barrel!
I suggest you try shooting your rifle with American Pioneer powder or GOEX Pinnacle instead of real black, to see how it loads when the bore is not crudding up so rapidly! If you use CCI No. 11 magnum caps, you will not have any ignition problems. Either of these two powders cleans out more easily than either BP or Pyrodex.
12-28-2005 | 10:24 AM
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RE: Powerbelt Issues
Mikey S.
I hope you get this problem solved.. I did send two PM's to you - I had to break them up because of size limitations in the mail system... In the write up where it says to apply oil - DON'T
I asked you this in the PM but which BP are you using? That can also make a difference in powder fouling.
I hope you get this problem solved.. I did send two PM's to you - I had to break them up because of size limitations in the mail system... In the write up where it says to apply oil - DON'T
I asked you this in the PM but which BP are you using? That can also make a difference in powder fouling.
