Funny how you are so quick to point the finger at me but not at anyone else who was saying the same thing. I think you have a problem with women and your comment above proves it. BTW, you are dead wrong!!! And I will be the first to say that you can call me a hypocrit all you want, but don't question my ethics. Come hunt with me and you will see that not even a candy wrapper hits the ground. My answer in the first place was "No, because it is illegal." That in and of itself is enough of an answer and so that is all I gave. If you didn't like it then stick your nose in the air somewhere else. You didn't make it clear that you'd rather have an essay written. Instead you attack me for being honest. If you think that makes me have a holier-than-thou attitude then you are the one who needs to watch Dr. Phil or Oprah. Talk about meds.......... you could use some yourself!!! LOLOLOL

Spyro, Spyro, ..... Whoa there buddy!

I'm a big believer in getting this very issue, the one you initially brought up, established and clear among all members of the camp well in advance of the hunt (party hunt or no party hunt --- the subject needs broached in advance so everyone is on the same page). So IMHO, you were really doing a little community service thing bringing it up. BUT, I've found over time you just you gotta be careful with hypotheticals and theoreticals on this forum --- it just don't seem to set too well.

I was gonna jump in here a day or two ago, since things had taken on a "lynch mob" mentality with no evidence to back up the opinions being put forth. I saw that you, like myself from time to time, had gotten yourself in a 10 to 1 matchup (noticed you weren't totally alone though). But since I was gonna try to sit on my hands (since its not my thread) I decided to watch you get yourself into the clear....

Well, okay maybe you "baited" folks a bit with the tickets, fishing, etc. line so as to get them to question whether they were really as "pure as driven snow" as they represented. A fair maneuver, but you gotta understand folks get excited pretty easy.

So you didn't shoot the deer, threw a rock instead, and so a bunch of folks were barking up the wrong tree. On the merits of what I've read, at that point, it can be argued that you win. BUT, BUT, BUT please try to avoid personal attacks (even though it can be argued who started what), it blinds all issues, and really lowers you into the fray, if you can keep it on a 3rd party basis and argue the issues and not the personalities, then I believe your experience with a wide range of firearms and seemingly extensive hunting background could come to the forefront and could be a benefit to some (most?) of us on this forum.
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BTW, good luck on your "live aboard" bear hunting trip. Go up to Alaska and smack one of those king sized blackies with a rifle that is "too large", relieve a little tension , take plenty of pictures (planes, boats, the 100 footer, and the bears) and post an update for us when you get back!

The fact that Spyro had already been tried and convicted by some people before they knew the facts,it is evident that the lynch mob mentality can strike at any time.In most cases it starts out innocently by people simply stating their beliefs but some people do jump to conclusions before hearing all the facts.With hunting as a whole being under scrutiny by so many people we should make sure we know all the facts before attacking other hunters.

I can recall one instance. It was in 1999 if I remember right. My dad and I had a doe tag each. We saw two antlerless deer under a tree. I shot at the one lying down, hit it in the ear. It got up, and the two started to move away. I shot again, and so did my dad, I believe a couple of times. Either way, I think the final shot count was like 5, there were two deer, we had two tags, we filled them and went home. I can remember many instances while fishing while one member of our group would "give" someone a fish or two and keep fishing. I still do, the regs even state that one cannot keep hunting or fishing if his limit is reached unless a part of that limit is eaten or given away. So, you can argue that it is legal (for birds and fish, anyway, where there are multiple bag limits). I also know of a group of hunters (6 total) that shot 6 elk. As it turned out, there was some confusion in the bunch, one person shot two elk, and another person missed actually. Well the person that missed tagged the extra animal. They both got tickets, about $400 each if I remember right. I say, people make mistakes, things happen, life moves on, then we die, so don't sweat the small stuff. Now staight up poaching, don't even get me going there!!! As in intentionally shooting an animal when you know it is out of season, and you just do it because you want the rack, out of anger, or some other insane reason. I have sympathy for the person who might shoot a turkey or deer out of season because his family is hungry and needs the food. Maybe its wrong, judge me how you like, it makes no diffence to me how others feel about my beliefs, it won't change them one bit!

charlie brown...im cool with that

as i stated in an earlier post on this, im sorta guilty of this already. does it matter that mine werent trophies, just meat animals? really, shooting someone elses deer is shooting someone elses deer. and to think, just a few years ago, this wasnt an issue. people just filled tags.

in all of this, i do not advocate poaching in the least bit. hate it. but its like another stupid law we have, if i come across a deer that his been hit on the road,and i kill it to put it out of its misery, im a bastard. i should have called the law, let the animal suffer while the deputy finishes his burger, and left it at that. and to that i can say that my family and i break that one every time.........

you make the call
brad

hillbilly why do you have to disclaim it with the word "Trophy" is a large buck, bull or boar more meaningful than a small one or a female game animal? I don't think so! The right call to make all things considered if the animal is not wounded is let him walk and the hunter burn their tag. Shooting it for them will do nothing for the persons future in the sport, you are much better to give them some of your animal and say lets try again next time if you think you are able too carry through, if the meat is the primary concern. Size of antlers has absolutely nothing to do with it, it still is an animal that deserves our respect!

I guess I use the word "trophy" to coicide with my original post in this thread. As I stated earlier, for me, personally, I feel there are times when I WOULD shoot someones animal for them--BUT IF THEIR REASON WAS TO HANG IT ON THE WALL (as was what I gathered in the primary scenario of this thread)--THEN DEFINATELY NOT (just my personal opinion).

Let me describe a scenario

You and I were out whitetail hunting and we both had 1 (either sex) tag. I had already tagged out earlier in the day and now, we are both over-looking this grain field together. Evening is coming on and some deer are coming out across the other side of the field to feed. For one legitimate reason or another......whether you had hurt yourself that day, had poor eyesight, or were just apprehensive about your abilities at that yardage (this is just an example), you asked me to shoot a doe for you because you wanted some deer meat. If you were a trusted friend/hunting partner, I would do it without thinking twice.

If however, there was also a 180'' class buck over there and you wanted me to shoot him for you, I would not. Even if he was the only deer in the field and I belived you just wanted the meat, I would tell you that we'll have to wait for something else to show up.

This is my opinion, I don't really care if you think its right or wrong, because it would happen all the same. I thought this was a discussion. I was definately not tryting to be combative...I was just interested in hearing cases that were logical even if I disagreed with them. That is why I was really directing my last post at Spyro, because he stated he could make a legitimate argument for either side in the scenario he originally described. I hope he does not think that I was being accusatory of him...I was not or did not mean to be. Even though I do not agree with him on res/non-res issues, I believe he is knowledgeable (to a degree) and I have gained respect after reading some other posts of his.

so this is so long but

now for my next scenario

same situation as before. But what if I had shot some doe or scrub as my deer (for meat purposes) and now you and I were both overlooking this field and a huge buck stepped out. Then, hypothetically, you said "since I can't make that shot, I'll take your deer and you can shoot that one if you want". Would I shoot?????????? Maybe. I would have to be there to really find out for sure.

hb

Hickchick- you need to chill, you started the nastyness, its time to back off,[:@] I agree w/ the no answer you first posted though.
Spyro - She may have started it but.... dont come unglued. its hard to resist, butjust say no

NVMike,
Done, dude.

Don't question my ethics and I won't go off on ya. Lesson learned by all......... agreed?

Glad to hear it hickchick. That was the first time I've ever seen anything but top notch, ladylike behavior from you. It kinda freaked me, like seein grandama drunk for the first time. Spyro isnt a bad guy and I don't think he meant to aim anything at you personnally. take care.