anyone seen 'death on the run'?
02-27-2002, 05:43 AM
#12
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Marystown Newfoundland Canada
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RE: anyone seen 'death on the run'?
About provoking an animal to charge, the hippo for instance.
In order to shoot a hippo somewhere vital you got to get it out of the water. If you shoot it in water that is deep enough you have to somehow stop it from floating away. Butchering is also a lot easier if you are not up to your chest in water. Crocodiles are another consideration in some of these rivers, especially with blood in the water.
I'm not sure but maybe the hunting tactics described for hippo are used for reasons other than just selling videos. I could very well be wrong though.
I'll bet no one here has a problem with deer or moose drives. Isn't that provoking an animal to run towards the hunter. It's not exactly the same I know but its comparable.
beej99, I'm okay with shooting coyotes too. Like I said in my post I was trying to be humorously sarcastic. Around 1985 coyotes migrated to Newfoundland on some ice flows. Being the ultimate adapter they have spread all across the island. They now compete with the lynx, fox and black bear for food. There have been some cases of sheep being preyed upon and witnesses have seen coyotes bring down caribou, both young and small adult animals. I'm all for a coyote hunting season but its not currently legal in Newfoundland, only trappers may take them.<img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle> I envy the people from Canadian provinces and US states that can hunt coyotes. From what I read on forums such as this one it is fun and challenging.
Edited by - DaNewf on 02/27/2002 06:56:15
In order to shoot a hippo somewhere vital you got to get it out of the water. If you shoot it in water that is deep enough you have to somehow stop it from floating away. Butchering is also a lot easier if you are not up to your chest in water. Crocodiles are another consideration in some of these rivers, especially with blood in the water.
I'm not sure but maybe the hunting tactics described for hippo are used for reasons other than just selling videos. I could very well be wrong though.
I'll bet no one here has a problem with deer or moose drives. Isn't that provoking an animal to run towards the hunter. It's not exactly the same I know but its comparable.
beej99, I'm okay with shooting coyotes too. Like I said in my post I was trying to be humorously sarcastic. Around 1985 coyotes migrated to Newfoundland on some ice flows. Being the ultimate adapter they have spread all across the island. They now compete with the lynx, fox and black bear for food. There have been some cases of sheep being preyed upon and witnesses have seen coyotes bring down caribou, both young and small adult animals. I'm all for a coyote hunting season but its not currently legal in Newfoundland, only trappers may take them.<img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle> I envy the people from Canadian provinces and US states that can hunt coyotes. From what I read on forums such as this one it is fun and challenging.
Edited by - DaNewf on 02/27/2002 06:56:15
02-27-2002, 10:06 AM
#13
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RE: anyone seen 'death on the run'?
DaNewf, I can't believe that...No hunting season for coyotes! I came up here from Illinois where I would see coyotes on my way to downtown chicago. There was no closed season on them and no bag limit. ( I actually think there is still a a bounty on coyotes, albeit 2 bucks or something.)
The coyotes just destroy the local populations of birds...Now the pheasant population is virtually nil.
I hope they open it up soon in your neck of the woods.
Beej
The coyotes just destroy the local populations of birds...Now the pheasant population is virtually nil.
I hope they open it up soon in your neck of the woods.
Beej
03-02-2002, 05:33 PM
#14
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Elizabeth CO USA
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RE: anyone seen 'death on the run'?
LHF First of all I wouldn't put to much money on your statement that their are 10 times as many deer as there are Hippos. The Hippo is a very common animal throughout nearlly all of Sub-Saharan Africa. As far as Elephant, depending on where you are the populations are actually severly over populated in areas. Namley many areas that do not allow hunting or culling. I'd like to see that video that had "8 guys surround an Elephant and just walk up to it and shoot it" An Elephant in the wild is far from docile and is probably the most dangerous animal on earth in thight cover. Unless it is a park Elephant that is used to people. Generally an Elephant will charge with deadly effect at the first provocation in tight cover. By provocation I mean catching your sent or hearing you ETC. There were not to many professional ivory hunters that lived to old age.
As far as Death On The Run I've seen it and it's tackey and over dramatised at best. The last scene where Pedro the hunter wounds the Buff and then our intrepid hunters purpousley circle up wind to make the critter charge is pretty good footage however it's a provoked charge from the word go. The little dialogue about using enough gun makes me want to puke.
As far as the Hippo charge goes did you know that more people are killed by hippos on dry land than any other African animal. (Dry land does not include Crocs). If you want a Hippo to charge all you've got to do is either wittingly or unwittingly place yourself between it and it's nearest path to deep water he'll run right through you to get to it. I agree that Mark Sullivan's films are bit off the beaten path and totally miss out on the politcally correct band wagon. He does however get some pretty spectacular footage. I strongly dissagree with any disillusionment about Elephant or Hippo hunting. If it were not for sport hunting and the associated fees there would be no Elephant left in parts of Africa. As far as ease goes it doesn't matter how many hunting staff are present to shoot a good tusker takes hard work money and element of danger is very real. In fact of all the African Big 5 Elephant will probably take the most miles on foot and is the toughest if you want a good one.
As far as Death On The Run I've seen it and it's tackey and over dramatised at best. The last scene where Pedro the hunter wounds the Buff and then our intrepid hunters purpousley circle up wind to make the critter charge is pretty good footage however it's a provoked charge from the word go. The little dialogue about using enough gun makes me want to puke.
As far as the Hippo charge goes did you know that more people are killed by hippos on dry land than any other African animal. (Dry land does not include Crocs). If you want a Hippo to charge all you've got to do is either wittingly or unwittingly place yourself between it and it's nearest path to deep water he'll run right through you to get to it. I agree that Mark Sullivan's films are bit off the beaten path and totally miss out on the politcally correct band wagon. He does however get some pretty spectacular footage. I strongly dissagree with any disillusionment about Elephant or Hippo hunting. If it were not for sport hunting and the associated fees there would be no Elephant left in parts of Africa. As far as ease goes it doesn't matter how many hunting staff are present to shoot a good tusker takes hard work money and element of danger is very real. In fact of all the African Big 5 Elephant will probably take the most miles on foot and is the toughest if you want a good one.
03-03-2002, 12:04 PM
#15
Spike
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: belair,md,usa
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RE: anyone seen 'death on the run'?
LHF,
You sound a bit like an anti in that you speak about things that you know nothing about. Are you more bothered by the poor little dumbo or the $40,000 someone pays to do be "told" by a guide, when to shoot. Adding to the pro elephant hunting comments already made, I would only like to say that hunting dangeous game is exactly that, dangerous! Until you have done it I suggest you hold open your mind to the possibilty that these animals have earned a reputation over many years. It is no folklore, and the need to wait for instructions from the professional hunter could literally mean the difference between your life and death. As far as the money goes, that $40,000 spent for an elephant does far more for african elephant conservation then you will spend on whiteails in your entire lifetime. It really ticks me off when my fellow deer hunter turns enemy when confronted with hunting outside of his hometown.
A far as Mark Sullivan goes, I have met and spoke with him at lenghth on a few occasions regarding his films and I have read his book. None of the animals in his films were ever intentionally wounded although his follow up is certainly different than most PH's and admittedly so. In most cases and having hunted buffalo I can tell you that there are very few one shot kills and that there is usually a follow up, and yes it is usually close. The buffalo I shot was taken at 60yds perfectly behind the shoulder. When we butchered him, his heart and lungs were virtually liquified by the 400 grain bullet that I used. Well he ran off and when we followed him, he was laying in a thorn patch 20 yard away when he got up. He ran out the other way and 3 more immediate shots finished him, but had he turned right instead of left, he would have been on us in a second. Until you have done it or done extensve reading on the subject I would refrain from making comments that are based on pity for the "defensless" animal rather than fact.
You sound a bit like an anti in that you speak about things that you know nothing about. Are you more bothered by the poor little dumbo or the $40,000 someone pays to do be "told" by a guide, when to shoot. Adding to the pro elephant hunting comments already made, I would only like to say that hunting dangeous game is exactly that, dangerous! Until you have done it I suggest you hold open your mind to the possibilty that these animals have earned a reputation over many years. It is no folklore, and the need to wait for instructions from the professional hunter could literally mean the difference between your life and death. As far as the money goes, that $40,000 spent for an elephant does far more for african elephant conservation then you will spend on whiteails in your entire lifetime. It really ticks me off when my fellow deer hunter turns enemy when confronted with hunting outside of his hometown.
A far as Mark Sullivan goes, I have met and spoke with him at lenghth on a few occasions regarding his films and I have read his book. None of the animals in his films were ever intentionally wounded although his follow up is certainly different than most PH's and admittedly so. In most cases and having hunted buffalo I can tell you that there are very few one shot kills and that there is usually a follow up, and yes it is usually close. The buffalo I shot was taken at 60yds perfectly behind the shoulder. When we butchered him, his heart and lungs were virtually liquified by the 400 grain bullet that I used. Well he ran off and when we followed him, he was laying in a thorn patch 20 yard away when he got up. He ran out the other way and 3 more immediate shots finished him, but had he turned right instead of left, he would have been on us in a second. Until you have done it or done extensve reading on the subject I would refrain from making comments that are based on pity for the "defensless" animal rather than fact.
03-03-2002, 08:06 PM
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RE: anyone seen 'death on the run'?
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the 40 grand you pay someone to do the hunting for you. Not "little Dumbo"...
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uhhh, you must think I belong to peta or something. My only point was why would anyone want to spend 40 grand for someone to tell them to shoot an elephant. How dumb is that? I'm all for hunting, but I just don't see the point in shooting an elephant!
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lol, okay, listen. I'm not against hunting elephant. And I know it's nessesary, however you will never see me doing it because I think it's a waste of money and have no disire to hunt a elephant.
I could hunt deer or bear or whatever for the rest of my life on 40 grand... or I could give it to a guide so he can take me to an elephant, tell me to stand up and shoot. I'm sure it would be one heck of a rush to be 30 yards from a pissed off elephant. And I'm sure it would be a fun experience to be in that type of country. But like I said, I just don't see the point.
the 40 grand you pay someone to do the hunting for you. Not "little Dumbo"...
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uhhh, you must think I belong to peta or something. My only point was why would anyone want to spend 40 grand for someone to tell them to shoot an elephant. How dumb is that? I'm all for hunting, but I just don't see the point in shooting an elephant!
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lol, okay, listen. I'm not against hunting elephant. And I know it's nessesary, however you will never see me doing it because I think it's a waste of money and have no disire to hunt a elephant.
I could hunt deer or bear or whatever for the rest of my life on 40 grand... or I could give it to a guide so he can take me to an elephant, tell me to stand up and shoot. I'm sure it would be one heck of a rush to be 30 yards from a pissed off elephant. And I'm sure it would be a fun experience to be in that type of country. But like I said, I just don't see the point.
03-03-2002, 08:19 PM
#17
Spike
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: belair,md,usa
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RE: anyone seen 'death on the run'?
Hey some people would think it is crazy to spend $800 on a new rifle, $700 for a nice new compound bow but to those of us that like that type of thing it is not a problem to spend the dough. Lease fees in my area can be a few grand per year. Yes that sounds nuts to some folks but most of us pay it each season or else we do not hunt. It is all what you like man, it is all the same and should be put into that perspective. You would not pay $40,000 for an elephant but if I had it and I doubt I ever will, I would spend it. Neither one is wrong different strokes for different folks you know.
