30/30 For Elk
11-16-2008, 07:44 AM
#21
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Cheyoming
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RE: 30/30 For Elk
Curious which 30-30 you got? Win. or Marlin?
Look at it this way:
Handgun hunting is very popular and legal in most western states. (Elk country). And the .44 mag is probably the most popular caliber.
So to compare the .44 mag to the 30-30's energy in foot pounds at 100 yards, the 30-30 still has at least double the knock down energy as does the .44 mag. So is the handgun too small? I think not.
According tho the Federal balistics chart . . .
i.e.; 30-30 / 150gr / @ 100 yds: 1358 ft. lb's.
" " / 170gr / @ 100 yds: 1355 ft. lb's.
.44 mag / 180 gr / @100 yds: 485 ft lb's!
" / 240 gr / @ 100 yds: 713 ft. lb's!
Considerably less, and yet very deadly.
Go with the Hornady LEVERevolution in 160 gr. Very nice groupings.
And as always . . . practice, practice, practice.
Look at it this way:
Handgun hunting is very popular and legal in most western states. (Elk country). And the .44 mag is probably the most popular caliber.
So to compare the .44 mag to the 30-30's energy in foot pounds at 100 yards, the 30-30 still has at least double the knock down energy as does the .44 mag. So is the handgun too small? I think not.
According tho the Federal balistics chart . . .
i.e.; 30-30 / 150gr / @ 100 yds: 1358 ft. lb's.
" " / 170gr / @ 100 yds: 1355 ft. lb's.
.44 mag / 180 gr / @100 yds: 485 ft lb's!
" / 240 gr / @ 100 yds: 713 ft. lb's!
Considerably less, and yet very deadly.
Go with the Hornady LEVERevolution in 160 gr. Very nice groupings.
And as always . . . practice, practice, practice.
11-17-2008, 12:08 PM
#24
Nontypical Buck
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: Huntin' In Colorado
Posts: 2,910
RE: 30/30 For Elk
ORIGINAL: game4lunch
Curious which 30-30 you got? Win. or Marlin?
Look at it this way:
Handgun hunting is very popular and legal in most western states. (Elk country). And the .44 mag is probably the most popular caliber.
So to compare the .44 mag to the 30-30's energy in foot pounds at 100 yards, the 30-30 still has at least double the knock down energy as does the .44 mag. So is the handgun too small? I think not.
According tho the Federal balistics chart . . .
i.e.; 30-30 / 150gr / @ 100 yds: 1358 ft. lb's.
" " / 170gr / @ 100 yds: 1355 ft. lb's.
.44 mag / 180 gr / @100 yds: 485 ft lb's!
" / 240 gr / @ 100 yds: 713 ft. lb's!
Considerably less, and yet very deadly.
Go with the Hornady LEVERevolution in 160 gr. Very nice groupings.
And as always . . . practice, practice, practice.
Curious which 30-30 you got? Win. or Marlin?
Look at it this way:
Handgun hunting is very popular and legal in most western states. (Elk country). And the .44 mag is probably the most popular caliber.
So to compare the .44 mag to the 30-30's energy in foot pounds at 100 yards, the 30-30 still has at least double the knock down energy as does the .44 mag. So is the handgun too small? I think not.
According tho the Federal balistics chart . . .
i.e.; 30-30 / 150gr / @ 100 yds: 1358 ft. lb's.
" " / 170gr / @ 100 yds: 1355 ft. lb's.
.44 mag / 180 gr / @100 yds: 485 ft lb's!
" / 240 gr / @ 100 yds: 713 ft. lb's!
Considerably less, and yet very deadly.
Go with the Hornady LEVERevolution in 160 gr. Very nice groupings.
And as always . . . practice, practice, practice.
11-18-2008, 03:28 PM
#25
Typical Buck
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RE: 30/30 For Elk
What I find interesting is many say the .243 is too small for elk. Yet the .243 delivers more energy than a .30-30. So if you're saying the .30-30 is ok for elk, you're saying the .243 is as well.
Can they kill and elk.... sure. But they deserve more respect and a larger caliber. I'd start at a .270. But the .300 WSM is my choice for elk.
Can they kill and elk.... sure. But they deserve more respect and a larger caliber. I'd start at a .270. But the .300 WSM is my choice for elk.
11-19-2008, 06:36 AM
#26
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RE: 30/30 For Elk
ORIGINAL: A11en
What I find interesting is many say the .243 is too small for elk. Yet the .243 delivers more energy than a .30-30. So if you're saying the .30-30 is ok for elk, you're saying the .243 is as well.
Can they kill and elk.... sure. But they deserve more respect and a larger caliber. I'd start at a .270. But the .300 WSM is my choice for elk.
What I find interesting is many say the .243 is too small for elk. Yet the .243 delivers more energy than a .30-30. So if you're saying the .30-30 is ok for elk, you're saying the .243 is as well.
Can they kill and elk.... sure. But they deserve more respect and a larger caliber. I'd start at a .270. But the .300 WSM is my choice for elk.
11-20-2008, 08:14 PM
#28
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 115
RE: 30/30 For Elk
ORIGINAL: A11en
What I find interesting is many say the .243 is too small for elk. Yet the .243 delivers more energy than a .30-30. So if you're saying the .30-30 is ok for elk, you're saying the .243 is as well.
Can they kill and elk.... sure. But they deserve more respect and a larger caliber. I'd start at a .270. But the .300 WSM is my choice for elk.
What I find interesting is many say the .243 is too small for elk. Yet the .243 delivers more energy than a .30-30. So if you're saying the .30-30 is ok for elk, you're saying the .243 is as well.
Can they kill and elk.... sure. But they deserve more respect and a larger caliber. I'd start at a .270. But the .300 WSM is my choice for elk.
11-23-2008, 12:19 PM
#30
Fork Horn
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 112
RE: 30/30 For Elk
In this day and age, there are many "better" cartridges than the .30-30, BUT, stop for a minute and think of how many tens of thousands of elk have been killed with the 30-30. It is fine as long as you use it within it's limitations.